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See post #217.
Like anyone in this country has the attention span left to be considered a "captive audience".
See post #217.
"Here I stand. I can do no other." --Martin Luther
A lie in resistance to illegitimate secular authority is not a problem in Christian theology.eace
I think people attending a school sponsored event would be considered a captive audience in this situation.
"Here I stand. I can do no other." --Martin Luther
A lie in resistance to illegitimate secular authority is not a problem in Christian theology.eace
Nope. I didn't, the school made that rule they have every right to even though it was a stupid ill thought out decision. I'm just saying it's not so shocking for a christian in a christian majority culture to recite a run of the mill average christian prayer that doesn't hurt anyone. It makes perfect sense within the confines of that culture.
I didn't deflect over the Muslim thing I actually engaged in your imaginary scenario even though it's not the issue here and all I or anyone else for that matter could provide is idle speculation, I think it would be less appropriate for a Muslim recitation of the Quran to be given in a highly christian culture as opposed to where I live which is sort of gathering place for multiple cultures and religion.
He didn't have to say a prayer in his farewell address to his fellow classmates but he did, he did what he thought was right and stood up against a stupid and ridiculous decision made by the school to restrict his speech.
I've never seen God spelled G-a-w-d, are you trying to be obnoxious there or is it just a way certain people spell it? I don't know I'm just asking mind you. Better to ask then assume one way or the other right?
Again, anyone could have left, instead, most cheered...
It has nothing to do with beliefs. It has to do with not having children unduly influenced by OTHER people's religious beliefs. Leave it OUT of the classroom and school functions. Simple really.
HS Seniors are not children other than in the eyes of government...
Again, anyone could have left, instead, most cheered...
Irrelevant. :roll:
Freedom of religion my friend. The Valedictorian is imposing their religious views on people of may different religions, that is offensive to say the least especially to the parents of children who came to the ceremony that are of different religions. Not everybody is your religion, not everybody believes in God, not everybody needs to be subjected to your religion. Just because the Valedictorian is a certain religion doesn't mean everybody is, and they should respect the guests by refraining from mentioning religion. Freedom of speech only extends as long as it is not violating any other rights of individuals, and in this case it is.
Meh, do a search. Here's one indication. The districts I've taught in, the high schools don't have the space for all the students AND all the guests that wish to attend. Tickets for seating are sold and the students run car washes and such to pay for the venue.
Then plug your damn ears! This student earned the privilege of speaking about their success. Mentioning of God or religion motivating them doesn't flip the switch on your religion, thus you still have the freedom of religion. It's not freedom from religion. Got it?
No, they don't just get to say whatever they want. Their speeches are supposed to be pre-approved. This kid changed his speech without prior approval. Just like the little girl who got into trouble for saying "hell" in her speech. People have to learn to follow rules and to quit whining when they WILLFULLY break them.
Sorry.....a lie is a lie is a lie....no matter how Christians try to spin it.
Reminds me of the lies and deceitful campaign that was run by another Christian group, Mormons during prop 8. Lying in the name of god is still lying. Sorry.
I didn't notice him whining. In fact the school board stated there would be no action taken. Do you really want a nation in which everyone follows "the rules" as dictated?
I never said that. I'm just at a loss why people are defending him. there is a time and a place for everything, and in a school filled with people from several different backgrounds and religions, it is not the time to break out in prayer. Those people did not ask for it yet they were subjected to it. I'm not saying the kid needs to be thrown in jail. I'm just saying that whatever punishment the school board gives is fair. There shouldn't be a controversy over freedom of speech because there are other freedoms in violation too. There isn't anyhting major, i'm just pointing out here that this kid isn't the victim like it is being made out he is.
It has nothing to do with beliefs. It has to do with not having children unduly influenced by OTHER people's religious beliefs. Leave it OUT of the classroom and school functions. Simple really.
Why not? The student has free speech just like everyone else. They had as much of a RIGHT to say what they said as a racist has to say what they say. You're confusing what you WISH they'd say with what they have a RIGHT to say.
In school? Yes. What, do you want school to be like a circus with the kids in control?
Don't take it from me (besides, I'm agnostic), but 2,000 years of Christian theology produces another answer.eace
And you are confusing rights with privileges. Of course he has a right to speak his mind just about anywhere else. But he was not in a classroom, on the street, etc. He was given the privileged position of giving a speech to his graduating class. No one else had that opportunity which makes it a privilege.
Children "unduly" influenced by a valedictorian's speech have no beliefs worth mentioning in the first place. Better for them to mix it up a little in the marketplace of ideas.eace