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Which is why I cheer this kid on.....and yes, the school said no religion in the speech.
Which is why I cheer this kid on.....and yes, the school said no religion in the speech.
I am not equating cursing to prayer. I am making a point: There is no such thing as complete freedom of speech in school.
and perhaps that is a sad thing...
Evidently there is.
Students don't even get the right to free speech in college classrooms, private institution or not, let alone public K-12!Are you saying a teacher should have no control over his/her own classroom (including verbal content)?
Are you saying a teacher should have no control over his/her own classroom (including verbal content)?
Not in the slightest. You're trying to send this down the argumentum ad absurdum route.
I find it disturbing though, considering the level of comportment students show -- which was traditionally a part of their education -- has sunk to unspeakable lows, that the thought of a student praying is what is found to be so offensive, that we find this, this to be a vital topic of contention...
It really does say something about this society we've created...
How is a prayer that has no malicious speech offensive? I too don't understand. People are just too sensitive I guess and can't accept the fact that other people have opinions that should be allowed to be given as well. It is just nonsense.
It isn't, it is about some whining, intolerants who feel the need to stifle the 1st Amendment rights of others because they "don't wanna hear it..."
Of course the school had the right to ban it. It is a religious text spoken at a public event on the tax payer dime.
If they would have given a disclaimer on the commencement pamphlets claiming that the student's speeches are their own and don't represent the views of the school than it would have been fine.
You have to be clear when you are in the public sector. No religion should be valued over any other idea when in the public forum (paid by taxpayers).
It's not just this certain piece of scripture, but any words in any religious text that are not allowed. For good reason too.
Nice try, but that doesn't hold water. Presidents, Congress, Courts, they all use religious texts on tax payers dimes every day.
Doesn't make it correct now does it?
Just because they use it doesn't mean it is right. It is wrong for anyone to use a public funded forum and preach or recite any religious text.
Freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion.
This speach didn't occure in a classroom.Are you saying a teacher should have no control over his/her own classroom (including verbal content)?
Not in the slightest. You're trying to send this down the argumentum ad absurdum route.
I find it disturbing though, considering the level of comportment students show -- which was traditionally a part of their education -- has sunk to unspeakable lows, that the thought of a student praying is what is found to be so offensive, that we find this, this to be a vital topic of contention...
How is a prayer that has no malicious speech offensive? I too don't understand. People are just too sensitive I guess and can't accept the fact that other people have opinions that should be allowed to be given as well. It is just nonsense.
Please point to me where I said I was offended by the speech.
Please point to me where I said I was offended by the speech.
This speach didn't occure in a classroom.
You weren't the one who said the Lord's Prayer means racism?
I wasn't addressing you so I'm not sure why you are asking me this.
You were addressing Chez's quote which addressed me.
i dont want them too nor was i pushing for that just so you are clear
Goddamn, it's a hard to be a Christian these days...