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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Total voters
    88
disneydude said:
lol....It doesn't require knowing the depth of his theological knowledge to see by his actions that he knows very little about the man he claims to worship. The fact that he felt the need to make a scene at the graduation by praying in public shows that he is exactly the type of Pharisee that Christ was talking about. The fact that he thinks that you can lie and be "Christian" at the same time shows that he doesn't understand that Christ would not support such activity.
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That's a lot of prejudice and unexamined assumptions for one post. :peace
"Here I stand. I can do no other."-- Martin Luther before the Diet of Worms, 1521:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
That's a lot of prejudice and unexamined assumptions for one post. :peace
"Here I stand. I can do no other."-- Martin Luther before the Diet of Worms, 1521:peace
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Not really....not if you've read the Bible and understand it. One of the main teachings that Christ taught us both through example and words is that it more important to be spiritual in your heart than it is to stand before a crowd so that you can proclaim your holiness to the masses. Christ talked about the hypocrites who stand and pray in a crowd so that others may see them. This kid is the perfect example of the hypocrites that Christ spoke of. When this kid lied to the school he lied to his god. A lie is a lie no matter how you try to justify it.
 
disneydude said:
Not really....not if you've read the Bible and understand it. One of the main teachings that Christ taught us both through example and words is that it more important to be spiritual in your heart than it is to stand before a crowd so that you can proclaim your holiness to the masses. Christ talked about the hypocrites who stand and pray in a crowd so that others may see them. This kid is the perfect example of the hypocrites that Christ spoke of. When this kid lied to the school he lied to his god. A lie is a lie no matter how you try to justify it.
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That has been a subject of contention since Augustine. And I recall something about not judging . . .:peace
 
AGENT J said:
108 pages and the basic facts havent changed

The school has every right to censor, limit or not allow a privileged speech that is given at a school function.

now with that said people can debate thier opinions all they want about whether the kid did a good thing, bad thing etc etc but if the facts wont change.

also there is still ZERO proof the school censored anything.
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....or is taking any action against the student.
 
I'm just happy to see this kid get away with trolling the libtards into histeria. A prayer was recited over loudspeaker at a public school event in direct protest to utterly stupid libtard rules and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

In your ****ing face!
 
clownboy said:
I was a teacher and yes. Apples and oranges.
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How on Earth is it "apples and oranges?"


The power there rests in a whole 'nother SCOTUS decision. See Hazelwood above.
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Please quote what you are talking about.
 
ChezC3 said:
What you are equating is prayer to cursing, which actually is something that can be found to be offensive.
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I am not equating cursing to prayer. I am making a point: There is no such thing as complete freedom of speech in school.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No they do not have a right to. They have no right to restrict a students free speech or that student from espousing those beliefs. They only have an obligation to not espouse it themselves.
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Glad to see someone else knows what the Constitution actually says.
 
Jerry said:
....or is taking any action against the student.
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not sure what you are saying

I personally want any action to be taken against him.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
No they are not taking action, and yes, the school said no religion in the speech.
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proof, link?????

wheres the proof the school censored anything, your post thread title is untrue
 
Geoist said:
I am not equating cursing to prayer. I am making a point: There is no such thing as complete freedom of speech in school.
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and perhaps that is a sad thing...
 
davidtaylorjr said:
How is it untrue? That was the title of the article.....
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the title of the article is "Liberty High valedictorian's speech causes stir"
theres ZERO proof or evidence it happened so far


the article doesnt talk about censorship at all unless i missed it, and if i did please point it out to me.
 
AGENT J said:
the title of the article is "Liberty High valedictorian's speech causes stir"
theres ZERO proof or evidence it happened so far


the article doesnt talk about censorship at all unless i missed it, and if i did please point it out to me.
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The board banned Christian prayers at public gatherings – replacing them with non-sectarian prayers. But that might not be enough to appease the out-of-town protesters.

Valedictorian Defies Rules, Delivers Lord’s Prayer | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
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Hope that helps clarify for you since you want to argue a mundane technical point rather than the issue at hand.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Hope that helps clarify for you since you want to argue a mundane technical point rather than the issue at hand.
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LMAO 3 things

1.) this clears up nothing, this does NOT suggest the boys speech was censored at all. it shows the school banned religious prayer.
2.) facts and accuracy are never mundane points they go to the heart of the story anybody educated knows that
3.) if you read this thread you also know i have debated the issue, even with you but yet you still cant help yourself, you have to lie and make stuff up.

Would you like me to quote myself talking about the issue to further prove you are lying again?
Wow you lose again.
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO 3 things

1.) this clears up nothing, this does NOT suggest the boys speech was censored at all. it shows the school banned religious prayer.
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The boy wanted to use the prayer, was not allowed to, how is that not censorship?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
The boy wanted to use the prayer, was not allowed to, how is that not censorship?
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LMAO i love how your post gets destryed and you are cuaght lying and you just move on and further deflect. How come you didnt address 2 and 3 also?

and the answer is EASY

his speech itself was not directly censored, meaning it was not pre-written, reviewed by the school and edited or he was told know.
What he showed the school was approved, the statement was mad should HIS speech have been censored, it wasnt. only non-sectarian prayer is allowed all others have been banned.

and most importantly the school has the right to do so.(limit, censor or not allow certain speech)
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO i love how your post gets destryed and you are cuaght lying and you just move on and further deflect. How come you didnt address 2 and 3 also?

and the answer is EASY

his speech itself was not directly censored, meaning it was not pre-written, reviewed by the school and edited or he was told know.
What he showed the school was approved, the statement was mad should HIS speech have been censored, it wasnt. only non-sectarian prayer is allowed all others have been banned.

and most importantly the school has the right to do so.(limit, censor or not allow certain speech)
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You are arguing semantics.
 
Goddamn, it's a hard to be a Christian these days...
 
Jerry said:
The school is not taking any action agonist the teen.
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i dont want them too nor was i pushing for that just so you are clear
 
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