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Death penalty for voter fraud

Do you support the death penalty for voter fraud?

  • I'm a Democrat and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I'm a Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and approve the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • I'm a Democrat and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    Votes: 13 17.3%

  • I'm a Republican and disapprove of the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    Votes: 10 13.3%

  • I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican and disapprove the death penalty for committing voter fraud.

    Votes: 47 62.7%
  • Total voters
    75
I think our current laws work very well. What was there? I think 13 in the entire state of Ohio last time, and almost all of them were voting where they used to live or some other honest mistake.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
That is a circular argument, particularly within his own context. If there is corruption and the corrupt are committing the voter fraud, it is unlikely that people will be charged, let alone convicted. If your only measure of a problem is whether people are convicted or not, that is a very narrow measurement of a problem.
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Actually it is a very simple and reasonable request: if you feel there is a problem that needs to be addressed - then it is incumbent upon you to properly provide ample and verifiable evidence of the problem
so that we know it does exist and is significant.

If you cannot do that, all we have is demagoguery being tossed around for political purposes. And almost always that is what these discussions are about. You got nothing and you continue to have nothing.
 
Muhammed said:
That is irrelevant and off-topic.
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It is a perfect part of the topic. As almost always is the case in these discussions, your side has nothing and can prove nothing.
 
haymarket said:
It is a perfect part of the topic. As almost always is the case in these discussions, your side has nothing and can prove nothing.
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The topic is about what the penalty should be for voter fraud. If you want to talk about the number of people who were convicted then please go start your own thread and quit trying to drag mine off-topic.
 
ChrisL said:
I think that killing people for voter fraud is a little bit extreme. Okay, a LOT extreme. :lol:
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Don't you think it would be an effective deterrent?

As it is now the odds of getting caught are pretty slim and fraudsters know that they will only get a slap on the wrist in the off chance that they do get caught. Do you think they would be less likely commit voter fraud if the penalty was death?
 
Muhammed said:
The topic is about what the penalty should be for voter fraud. If you want to talk about the number of people who were convicted then please go start your own thread and quit trying to drag mine off-topic.
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Asking why there should be such a severe penalty for something which perhaps does not even exist in any significant numbers is indeed relevant to the question. But if you feel it is off topic, there are remedies which I have no doubt you are well aware of.

Why are you afraid of having your strawman exposed to the harsh light of day?
 
mak2 said:
We already have one. It is an extremely rare crime.
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You are dodging the question.

I didn't ask how rare the crime was, I asked whether you think the death penalty would be a deterrent.
 
If a crime is extremly rare, the current laws are working and changing the penalty is not necessary. Therefore my response is not a dodge. I can see why you dont wanna hear it though.
Muhammed said:
You are dodging the question.

I didn't ask how rare the crime was, I asked whether you think the death penalty would be a deterrent.
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AliHajiSheik said:
Some people who are against voter ID laws is because voting is so important. Using that same logic, if voting is so important, then voter fraud should have serious consequences. Death penalty? No.
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I agree that a death penalty is too much for voter fraud. I like the suggestion of a year in prison and permanent revocation of voting privileges for life. There is nothing in the Constitution that describes voting as a RIGHT. I also agree with the first part. People who are against voter ID because it is so important should also be against firearm registration because owning firearms is equally important. Moreso perhaps, as the RIGHT to keep and bear is specifically listed in the Constitution as a right and voting is not.
 
Rainman05 said:
I think those who do voter fraud have their electoral rights removed and spend up to 1 year in prison. But the electoral rights removal part is for life.

I disapprove of the death penalty universally, for anything, except treason or high treason.
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I consider vote fraud HIGH TREASON!
 
haymarket said:
Actually it is a very simple and reasonable request: if you feel there is a problem that needs to be addressed - then it is incumbent upon you to properly provide ample and verifiable evidence of the problem
so that we know it does exist and is significant.

If you cannot do that, all we have is demagoguery being tossed around for political purposes. And almost always that is what these discussions are about. You got nothing and you continue to have nothing.
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I understood you up to your last sentence which is your own form of demagoguery. If Cambodia has had the same democratically elected leader for the last 30 years, then I find it reasonable to suspect that there might be some voter fraud going on. I don't live in Cambodia, have no desire to ever go there, and frankly don't give Cambodia a second thought (didn't they change the name to Campuchea?), but I at least heard the dude out. If the "elected leader" has been in office that long, then I seriously doubt there is going to be someone there to charge him or execute him for voter fraud. Perhaps he could take things into his own hands and have a revolution or something. Some would say that it is right and/or duty to do so.

It is reasonable for you to ask for evidence, but if convictions are you sole measure of a problem, you are being narrow minded.
 
The American fascination (fanatacism) with the death penalty sometimes seems to me similar to your fascination with reality TV or the human need to slow down and gawk at a big car accident as you drive by on the highway.

That said, does anyone realistically think that even in America you could find 12 people sitting on a jury who are either so politically partisan on the offended side or so apolitically apathetic that they would condemn someone to death for trying to screw up an election? Or are you proposing that whomever is President could just drone blast them out of existence without a trial?
 
yobarnacle said:
I consider vote fraud HIGH TREASON!
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You may consider that, but that's not what high treason is.

High treason is treason to the country (as in, sell out the country to another, foreign and enemy element) by a member in a government office.

Voter fraud, while dishonest, does not betray the country to foreign, hostile elements.
 
I don't relate to this issue in the form it is being discussed.. I remember LBJ being famous for bringing the graveyard vote out in some counties in Texas. GWBush, the first torturer, having an election judicially decided by a partisan court. Richard Nixon shenanigans. Gerrymandering by both parties. Possible electronic vote-flipping by Corporate and Political players. But the "vote early, and vote often" seems to be a myth or urban legend in my real life experience, but I suspect ol' Rash Limpdick could register heavy decibel rants on any and all such myths. I don't see it as a real world problem at the one person, one vote level.
 
Voter fraud is cheating. Let's expand this for students cheating on tests, husbands cheating on wives (and visa versa), citizens cheating on their taxes, boxers throwing fights, Kids that have video game cheats on their computers, and the short change sales clerks.

Kill 'em all. Let God sort them out.
 
Rainman05 said:
You may consider that, but that's not what high treason is.

High treason is treason to the country (as in, sell out the country to another, foreign and enemy element) by a member in a government office.

Voter fraud, while dishonest, does not betray the country to foreign, hostile elements.
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Every member of the military, and every federal office holder, takes an oath of allegiance to the Constitution. To uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.

The DOMESTIC variety are the most dangerous. And subverting an election, and putting into office someone NOT duly elected by the people, is subversion and treason.

The only reason vote fraud is NOT "high Treason, because THAT is a federal crime. Voter laws are the venue of the states. Breaking the law by causing fraudulent votes to be cast or counted, violates state code in the state it occurred, so no federal law has been broken.

Until Kennedy was assassinated, there was no "need" for a federal "crime of assassination". Murder, in the state, was deemed sufficient.
We, the American people, changed our mind and decided we needed a federal law.

It's time to change our mind again, and make vote fraud a federal treasonous act, and a capital crime.
 
CanadaJohn said:
The American fascination (fanatacism) with the death penalty sometimes seems to me similar to your fascination with reality TV or the human need to slow down and gawk at a big car accident as you drive by on the highway.

That said, does anyone realistically think that even in America you could find 12 people sitting on a jury who are either so politically partisan on the offended side or so apolitically apathetic that they would condemn someone to death for trying to screw up an election? Or are you proposing that whomever is President could just drone blast them out of existence without a trial?
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In some of the southern states, with "old fashioned" attitudes about capital punishment, (i'm old fashioned that way), we could probably find enough jurors to vote to LYNCH the miscreant!
 
Nuthin like a good lynching huh?
yobarnacle said:
In some of the southern states, with "old fashioned" attitudes about capital punishment, (i'm old fashioned that way), we could probably find enough jurors to vote to LYNCH the miscreant!
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d0gbreath said:
Voter fraud is cheating. Let's expand this for students cheating on tests, husbands cheating on wives (and visa versa), citizens cheating on their taxes, boxers throwing fights, Kids that have video game cheats on their computers, and the short change sales clerks.

Kill 'em all. Let God sort them out.
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Now YOU are cheating! :)

Those are not the same magnitude of offense as election fraud.

Our government officials aren't running in a popularity contest, or a beauty pagent as to whom has the best legs!
They are running for powerful government offices that affect our citizens, and frequently people all around the world.

Serious business. Levity is not appropriate!
 
mak2 said:
Nuthin like a good lynching huh?
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Never been to one. How was it?

Did you think it's a strong deterrent to those considering future offence against the people?

Certainly it's a deterrent to the criminal got lynched!

HE AIN'T BREAKING NO MORE LAWS!
 
I see a bigger issue here. While individual voter fraud is relatively small in overall numbers what the IRS did (we don't need to argue this, the IRS has apologized for what they did, and they are not in the habit of apologizing for things they think they can dance out of) was arguably a much larger overt case of voter suppression. It may be difficult to know just how many Tea Party people did not vote because of it, I suggest it may have been enough to flip the public vote the other way, meaning that the IRS may very well have been used to steal an election. This is why I am so interested in how this turns out. I believe the guilty parties should be charged with at least participation in large scale voter fraud. We need to sort out who the guilty are how ever high up that goes, and consider this charge when it comes to sentencing.
 
tech30528 said:
I agree that a death penalty is too much for voter fraud. I like the suggestion of a year in prison and permanent revocation of voting privileges for life. There is nothing in the Constitution that describes voting as a RIGHT. I also agree with the first part. People who are against voter ID because it is so important should also be against firearm registration because owning firearms is equally important. Moreso perhaps, as the RIGHT to keep and bear is specifically listed in the Constitution as a right and voting is not.
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I am. :)
 
HumanBeing said:
It's not my poll or my question, nor is there anything about the wording to suggest it was intended to be specific to any one country. Still, the point stands anywhere in the world, voter fraud can have deadly consequences on a massive scale, so the idea of it being punishable by death doesn't seem that far off the mark to me. If I'm wrong, say why.
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A handful of prostitutes and a few backroom gamblers don't make a charge of racketeering. There's a big difference between voter fraud, a one-person offense, and election tampering, too. What you're talking about is election tampering, not voter fraud.
 
yobarnacle said:
In some of the southern states, with "old fashioned" attitudes about capital punishment, (i'm old fashioned that way), we could probably find enough jurors to vote to LYNCH the miscreant!
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Sounds like these "miscreants" should be common as horse turds, so identify a large number, with links.
 
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