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Institutional Racism [W:344]

Does institutional racism currently exist in America?

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Sig said:
Sorry, pal, but clothes do not make the man. Your talk gives you away.
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translation: you have NOTHING

let me know when you do

lets go over the facts.

my company has no hiring qoutas
AA/EO has nothing to do with qoutas
qoutas are illegal

these fact wont change based on your opinions
 
AGENT J said:
translation: you have NOTHING

let me know when you do

lets go over the facts.

my company has no hiring qoutas
AA/EO has nothing to do with qoutas
qoutas are illegal

these fact wont change based on your opinions
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Basically AJ, it's giving priority to minorities. Because some companies are mandated to follow AA protocols, they DO employ quotas whether it is done purposefully or not.
 
AGENT J said:
translation: you have NOTHING

let me know when you do

lets go over the facts.

my company has no hiring qoutas
AA/EO has nothing to do with qoutas
qoutas are illegal

these fact wont change based on your opinions
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You have already exposed yourself as either being utterly disingenuous or having no idea what you are talking about.

TRANSLATION: The gig is up. The best thing you can do is go away.
 
ChrisL said:
Basically AJ, it's giving priority to minorities. Because some companies are mandated to follow AA protocols, they DO employ quotas whether it is done purposefully or not.
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my problem with AA is that it claims to "level the playing field" but it doesn't. If you have 2 guys apply for the same job and they are both equally educated, have the same amount of relevent experience, etc, etc, (IOW they are equal in all respects) the minority guy is going to get the job based soley on the color of his skin.

hiring a guy just because he is black is just as discriminatory as hiring a guy simply because he is white.
 
Every time a number is applied to any given race it is racism. Racists separate and so do statistics. I see three whites then two whites and one non white my description is racists. The stupid concept of racial blindness is the greatest danger ever to race relations. If a black marries a white one says their spouse is not the same race that is racism because it too separates. What the scholars in the stupid society preach is war bait. Instead of "we are all alike" why not, "we are as different as it is possible to be different but we don't give a ****".
 
ChrisL said:
Basically AJ, it's giving priority to minorities. Because some companies are mandated to follow AA protocols, they DO employ quotas whether it is done purposefully or not.
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but it FACTUALLY does not
if they employ qoutas they are breaking the law and are NOT practicing AA/EO.

this fact will not change and ORGS that have been caught doing so have been fine and had crinial charges levied again them.

SO unless i ignore facts what you are saying simply is not true.
 
Sig said:
You have already exposed yourself as either being utterly disingenuous or having no idea what you are talking about.

TRANSLATION: The gig is up. The best thing you can do is go away.
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Yet i have facts and all you have is "nu-huh"

Let me know when this changes, why would i go away when every point you brought up got destroyed in retaliation to qoutas/AA/EO. Im sure you want me too because you cant defend your false claims but i wont LMAO

Lets go over the facts that you havent been able to change one bit AGAIN


my company has no hiring qoutas
AA/EO has nothing to do with qoutas
qoutas are illegal

these fact wont change based on your opinions, and you repeating yourself.

Let me know when you have ONE single thing to impact them.
 
OscarB63 said:
my problem with AA is that it claims to "level the playing field" but it doesn't. If you have 2 guys apply for the same job and they are both equally educated, have the same amount of relevent experience, etc, etc, (IOW they are equal in all respects) the minority guy is going to get the job based soley on the color of his skin.

hiring a guy just because he is black is just as discriminatory as hiring a guy simply because he is white.
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what you just described would be wrong and is factually not AA/EO.
 
AGENT J said:
but it FACTUALLY does not
if they employ qoutas they are breaking the law and are NOT practicing AA/EO.

this fact will not change and ORGS that have been caught doing so have been fine and had crinial charges levied again them.

SO unless i ignore facts what you are saying simply is not true.
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No, when you have to give a specific race or minority a certain advantage that others don't have, that is unfair and this practice should be ended. The only thing that should be taken into consideration is someone's merit. Colleges should be blind to the color of an applicant's skin, and so should businesses. AA only perpetuates racism.
 
AGENT J said:
what you just described would be wrong and is factually not AA/EO.
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actually that is exactly whata AA does. it doesn't lower any standards, but it does allow an employer to hire a minority over an equally qualified white. with minority status being the determining factor.
 
ChrisL said:
The only thing that should be taken into consideration is someone's merit.
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which is where the problem lies with AA. if two candidates "merit" is equal..it allows for a determination to be made using "race" as the determining factor

. AA only perpetuates racism.
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yep.
 
Yes, institutional racism does exist in America. From affirmative action to welfare(which is race blind, but goes primarily to urban minorities), the government seems to have entrenched itself in a policy that says "you can't do it yourself, so we will do it for you". This elitist attitude eliminates the expectation to succeed that has to be in place, and subjugates racial groups to not thinking that they can do so themselves.
 
AGENT J said:
again you are 100% wrong

QOUTAS are illegal in the US, this fact will not change

any QOUTAS a company sets up they are doing on thier own and they are breakign the law if caught, they can CALL it AA/EO all they want it is factually not true

Affirmative action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


AA is EO
http://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/compliance/aa.htm


and AA/EO is


Sorry, like i said you simply dont understand what AA/EE FACTUALLY is.

many people have programs that they call AA/EO but that doesnt make it true.

The fact remains colleges and employers have broken the law and been found guilty for having qoutas.
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If quotas are ilegal then how can the government tell a private business that a certain percentage of his workforce has to be a minority?
 
Mason66 said:
If quotas are ilegal then how can the government tell a private business that a certain percentage of his workforce has to be a minority?
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Prove that actually happens outside of the conservative imagination.
 
Rainman05 said:
Yes, affirmative actions is institutionalized racism.
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When it becomes quota based, yes. it is racist. The original Affirmative Action ideas were good ones.

It tells people that blacks are not good enough to compete, so they need help.

Those supporting quota systems should take a close look at themselves, and think about how racist it makes them look to others.
 
Lord of Planar said:
When it becomes quota based, yes. it is racist. The original Affirmative Action ideas were good ones.

It tells people that blacks are not good enough to compete, so they need help.

Those supporting quota systems should take a close look at themselves, and think about how racist it makes them look to others.
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Its a horrible system. I understand the concept behind it when it was first proposed... as a measure to nullify the years of slavery + after slavery when blacks still didn't have full civic rights... but it doesn't accomplish that. It's a noble concept, attempting to restore and reinvigorate a population that was wronged. But its implementation hurts. Thomas Sowell, one the smartest men the black community in the USA has ever produced, goes in depth in several videos as to why this is a bad idea.
 
AGENT J said:
as already proven with facts and links your statement is 100% false
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No.

Chris is correct on this one. Only in recent years have the court cases started disassembling the quota system.
 
Mason66 said:
If quotas are ilegal then how can the government tell a private business that a certain percentage of his workforce has to be a minority?
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It's simple. Though the law is written such that they cannot force quota systems, if you and another company bid for a contract, if one has the right number of minorities, and the other doesn't, who do you think gets the contract?

It isn't legislated, but underhandedly enforced at times. If not actually enforced, the fear of it is real. Pretty hard to prove it too, but every now and again you hear of real cases.

As long as race is a legal issue, it's impossible to be colorblind.
 
Zyphlin said:
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I am surprised you didn't jump in long ago when music was being discussed which has nothing to do with this subject.
 
When I owned a small company I had 3 employees. A 20 something white girl, a 75 year old jewish man and when I hired the next employee it was a latina girl. I never thought of their race or gender in hiring them, I was interested in their penmenship and their intelligence.

When I set out to hire somebody else the cantidates would come in and fill out the applications. The only one I saw was a black girl as I walked in the front door. After she left I looked at her application and the question asked if she spoke a second language. She marked yes and put English. I wonder what her first language was? I didn't even consider her as a cantidate. If she can't fill out an application correctly, I wouldn't expect her to be able to do anything else correctly.

Does that make me racist?
 
ChrisL said:
1.) No, when you have to give a specific race or minority a certain advantage that others don't have, that is unfair and this practice should be ended.
2.) The only thing that should be taken into consideration is someone's merit.
3.)Colleges should be blind to the color of an applicant's skin, and so should businesses.
4.)AA only perpetuates racism.
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1.) I agree 100% , good thing AA/EO factually does not do that
2.) i agree
3.) I agree
4.) 100% false, by definition that impossible

again you simply dont understand what AA/EO actually is
 
OscarB63 said:
actually that is exactly whata AA does. it doesn't lower any standards, but it does allow an employer to hire a minority over an equally qualified white. with minority status being the determining factor.
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no it doesnt "allow" that
it doesnt allow anything
 
Mason66 said:
If quotas are ilegal then how can the government tell a private business that a certain percentage of his workforce has to be a minority?
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they dont do that :shrug:
AA/EO is about equal OPPORTUNITY
not employment or hiring

now if a company is found guilty of wrong doings then they may be forced to diversify but only after they are already breaking the law
 
Lord of Planar said:
No.

Chris is correct on this one. Only in recent years have the court cases started disassembling the quota system.
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recent years? you mean in 1978 when qoutas were outlawed

sorry maybe tyou should read the thread and OP, it ask about CURRENT times 1977 isnt exactly current times

like i said facts already prove her statement false
 
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