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Institutional Racism [W:344]

Does institutional racism currently exist in America?


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NYC stop-and-frisk data: Whites more likely to carry weapons and drugs ? RT USA
\but look up the report to make sure the reporting is accurate ...

Thanks, WD. I'm messin' with ya'. Appreciate the link. I'm glad you posted this -- it's shocking, really:

“Despite the overall reduction in stops, the proportion involving black and Latino New Yorkers has remained unchanged. They continue to constitute 84 percent of all stops, despite comprising only 54 percent of the general population. And the innocence rates remain at the same level as 2011 – at nearly 89 percent.”

Meanwhile, in a separate analysis by the New York Civil Liberties Union of these same statistics, the group revealed that out of 532,911 stop-and-frisk searches in 2012, just 729 guns were found.

In my opinion, the city loses this case.

n March, following evidence provided by a leaked recording, Officer Pedro Serrano, an 8-year veteran of the New York Police Department testified that during a meeting with Deputy Inspector Christopher McCormick he was told in no uncertain terms what individuals to focus his duties on. “I don’t have any trouble telling you this: male blacks 14 to 20, 21,” said McCormick.
 
They are your concern. Imagine your personal work position. Imagine your boss came in and told you "sorry, you're a really really hard worker, but we feel like we really need to have a black in your position so we can meet our diversity quota, we have to let you go." How would you feel? Honestly? If you were being judged based on something other then your personal ability and work ethic that you can't control, that wouldn't make you resentful?
That's not affirmative action. That's illegal. That's also the kind of strawman that people who don't understand affirmative action and similar policies come up with to argue against something that nobody was arguing for in the first place. Try again.

But to hold students to a different standard completely based on race?
That's not what affirmative action is. Try again.
 
Re. underfunding of schools in low income communities

That's a ****ty policy, but not because it's in anyway racist. It affects all people of low means, regardless of color

It disproportionately impacts minorities, so it is de facto racism, but classist also. One reason that people continue to support unequal school funding is racism, in my opinion. Not necessarily consciously racist, but because they think it doesn't affect anyone they know or care about (which is racist).
 
Cool, so they got stopped, held up, and then were free to go when innocent. Is that the big bad wolf of racism, that it unfairly wastes people's time?

you're a little slow, aren't you? ... if whites are much more likely to have the stuff they're searching for, shouldn't they they be profling whites instead?
 
Thanks, WD. I'm messin' with ya'. Appreciate the link. I'm glad you posted this -- it's shocking, really:



In my opinion, the city loses this case.


I believe they did ...
 
That's not affirmative action. That's illegal. That's also the kind of strawman that people who don't understand affirmative action and similar policies come up with to argue against something that nobody was arguing for in the first place. Try again.


That's not what affirmative action is. Try again.


DING DING DING DING

we have a winner

I also find it amazing how often this happens and how often people argue against something they are calling AA/EO that factually is not and against things NOBODY said.

The argument is made up in their head and thats how you know its a strawman, theres no interest in even talking reality, they just keep repeating the made up argument in their heads
 
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Re. underfunding of schools in low income communities



It disproportionately impacts minorities, so it is de facto racism, but classist also. One reason that people continue to support unequal school funding is racism, in my opinion. Not necessarily consciously racist, but because they think it doesn't affect anyone they know or care about (which is racist).

good luck trying to explain intentional and overt forms of racism, let alone "institutional racism," to a con ... they don't get it or get it but deny it ... I believe they're missing a "decency" gene most of us have ... good luck though ... (maybe if you explain to this poster the relationship between race and class?)
 
It disproportionately impacts minorities

right, because they make up a disproportionate amount of the poor. That's not racism. No more than programs aiding the poor, disproportionately affecting them is racism

One reason that people continue to support unequal school funding is racism, in my opinion. Not necessarily consciously racist, ***but because they think it doesn't affect anyone they know or care about (which is racist).***

how is that racist?
 
Actually, you did generalize the culture as whole. You said, "it is the rap/hip-hop culture that shuns learning and real work and berates blacks who are trying as being "too white" for trying to succeed". You described the culture as one that shins learning and real work and berates blacks as being "too white." That's a generalization. I corrected it.
Not what I was saying, but I'll go with not presenting my point well. Basically, I'm trying to point out that the culture (vice the genre) has more negative influence (or elements if you prefer) than positive and is a contributor to holding back blacks and encouraging them not to try to be successful


I don't believe you're unaware of how common denigrating higher education as "liberal indoctrination" is among conservatives, so you can find your own "samples".

Ah now that brings more information to light. I believe that there are quite a few "conservative" post high school educational facilities around that the "right" is quite alright with. I would not call being against a liberal based higher education as being against higher education in general, which is what your first comment implied.
 
Hard Truth "One reason that people continue to support unequal school funding is racism, in my opinion. Not necessarily consciously racist, but because they think it doesn't affect anyone they know or care about (which is racist)."

how is that racist?

When you don't care what happens to a group of people who are different from you, it is a form of bigotry, even if you say "I'm not a racist, but....." before you defend a practice that primarily hurts that particular group.
 
That's not affirmative action. That's illegal. That's also the kind of strawman that people who don't understand affirmative action and similar policies come up with to argue against something that nobody was arguing for in the first place. Try again.


That's not what affirmative action is. Try again.

Look at the statistics. A black who gets into Med school averages a 27 MCAT and just over 3.3 GPA while a white needs a 31 and just over a 3.6. If that isn't affirmative action, then I don't know what is. But whatever that is, is wrong.
 
No, superficial things are still reflections of society. It's actually a good thing to recognize that and look beyond the surface of things to get a better understanding of where they are coming from. In any case, thank you for letting me know that you don't do critical thinking. It make a lot of sense and it will save me some time.

Superficial music superfically represents society.
 
Yes, affirmative actions is institutionalized racism.

Agreed. When a specific race is given advantages that others don't get, I would call that institutionalized racism against every other race that doesn't get those kind of breaks.
 
Not what I was saying, but I'll go with not presenting my point well. Basically, I'm trying to point out that the culture (vice the genre) has more negative influence (or elements if you prefer) than positive and is a contributor to holding back blacks and encouraging them not to try to be successful
Hip-hop culture is far too diverse in its participants, art forms, attitudes and other elements to make such a statement. There are parts of hip-hop culture that hinder the types of success that are valued by mainstream society, yes. However, there are also parts that facilitate such success - they're just less sensational and thus, less covered by media and paid for by record execs, clothing companies and other corporations.

Ah now that brings more information to light. I believe that there are quite a few "conservative" post high school educational facilities around that the "right" is quite alright with. I would not call being against a liberal based higher education as being against higher education in general, which is what your first comment implied.
Correction: They aren't against "liberal based higher education." They are against higher education that doesn't advance right wing principles. That is a large difference.

Also, if you're going to use the reality that such conservatives are fine with certain types of higher education as evidence that my point about conservatives not valuing education is incorrect, then I suppose we should also conclude that your assertion about hip-hop/rap culture shunning learning is incorrect since the part of that culture you were referring to, in truth, on shuns certain types of learning - not all learning.
 
Agreed. When a specific race is given advantages that others don't get, I would call that institutionalized racism against every other race that doesn't get those kind of breaks.

thats not what AA/EO is.
 
You're not making any sense. You're confusing the content of a song with the place that song occupies in society.

I'm saying, a song that is meant to be understood at a superficial level only represents society at that superficial level. Otherwise, it's just a personal interpretation, and probably one that is more a reflection on the interpreter then on society itself.
 
Yes it is. Affirmative action is nothing more than meeting a quota.

100% false

Quotas are illegal


You are simply mistaken and dont know what AA/EO actually is.
 
100% false

Quotas are illegal


You are simply mistaken and dont know what AA/EO actually is.

Affirmative action is all about meeting a quota. IT is no longer necessary. Employers HAVE to hire a certain number of minorities, especially in the construction industry.

Affirmative Action: Twenty-five Years of Controversy

Time has not quelled controversy over policies of preferential treatment. First instituted in the 1960s and 1970s by employers and educational institutions in response to pressures from civil rights groups, federal legislation, and court rulings, preferential treatment programs seek to rectify the effects of past and ongoing discrimination against women and racial minorities. These programs are designed as temporary measures to increase the employment and educational opportunities available to qualified women and minorities by giving them preference in hiring, promotion, and admission. Toward this goal, some firms and institutions aggressively recruit minorities and women, others set numerical targets and timetables to raise the level of minority and female representation, and still others establish quotas to hire or admit a specified number of minority and female candidates.
 
When you don't care what happens to a group of people who are different from you, it is a form of bigotry, even if you say "I'm not a racist, but....." before you defend a practice that primarily hurts that particular group.

you said that they 'don't know or care about. People can "not know and care about" other individuals for any numbers of reasons beyond race.
 
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