Well, your employer has no quotas that they're telling you about at least...
good thing i dindt say they arent influential on cultures then huh? LOL so yes your whole post is absolute ridiculous.
please stay on topic to what was ACTUALLY being discussed
they are 100% meaningless to educated civil people as far as behavior influences to be a good or bad person.
Your mistake.
No. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.My point is, when you're analyzing something that isn't meant to necessarily be analyzed, it says more about your perception of reality then it does about the song.
It doesn't really matter what you doubt. The fact is that you are making assumptions and treating them as facts. Like I said, medical schools have cutoffs for GPA and MCAT scores. Then, the applications that make the cutoff are considered on their individual merits. If the cutoff is a 3.5 GPA and there are two candidates - one with a 3.6 and the other with a 3.8 - and the 3.6 gets in, the deciding factor could have been recommendations, life story, research experience or something else. You've decided that it's race. That's your problem - not black medical student's or admissions office's.Yes actually. Its pretty well documented that Asians are discriminated against because they are held to much higher standards then any other race. For instance, when Texas switched completely to a top 10% policy for their schools, Asian Americans saw the highest increase in enrollment under the policy.
Also, I would highly doubt that subjective qualifications differ much between races. But I would be happy for you to prove me wrong. Either way, why don't we just solve the issue and forbid colleges from taking race into consideration. If they aren't hold races to different standards, then whats the purpose of race on an application?
It doesn't really matter what you doubt. The fact is that you are making assumptions and treating them as facts. Like I said, medical schools have cutoffs for GPA and MCAT scores. Then, the applications that make the cutoff are considered on their individual merits. If the cutoff is a 3.5 GPA and there are two candidates - one with a 3.6 and the other with a 3.8 - and the 3.6 gets in, the deciding factor could have been recommendations, life story, research experience or something else. You've decided that it's race. That's your problem - not black medical student's or admissions office's.
It doesn't really matter what you doubt. The fact is that you are making assumptions and treating them as facts. Like I said, medical schools have cutoffs for GPA and MCAT scores. Then, the applications that make the cutoff are considered on their individual merits. If the cutoff is a 3.5 GPA and there are two candidates - one with a 3.6 and the other with a 3.8 - and the 3.6 gets in, the deciding factor could have been recommendations, life story, research experience or something else. You've decided that it's race. That's your problem - not black medical student's or admissions office's.
What are you talking about? You are the one who has the burden of proof. You are claiming that blacks are being held to lower standards. You have failed to demonstrate that. You have also failed to acknowledge the information I've given you about admissions processes. Like I said, again, med schools have GPA and MCAT cutoffs. Everyone who makes the cutoff is evaluated individually. You're assuming that race, not any of the multiple other factors, are what determines admission. Prove that it is.You literally have nothing to back your statement up. And you know it. And you still are avoiding my question. If race doesn't play a factor into Med School acceptance, then would you be in favor of making the application process colorblind? You wouldn't, and you know it, because you know race is playing a factor here.
no i dont mean to say that, nor did i
why are you consistently trying to make stuff up LMAO, you fail every-time you try
what im saying is my employer has zero qoutas
we account all our employes in many ways
What are you talking about? You are the one who has the burden of proof. You are claiming that blacks are being held to lower standards. You have failed to demonstrate that. You have also failed to acknowledge the information I've given you about admissions processes. Like I said, again, med schools have GPA and MCAT cutoffs. Everyone who makes the cutoff is evaluated individually. You're assuming that race, not any of the multiple other factors, are what determines admission. Prove that it is.
Hint: You can't. LOL
I don't answer red herrings. Only dishonest, cowardly people who realize how horrible their arguments are change the topic like you have been trying to do for several posts now.So do you or don't you support making admissions colorblind and forbidding race from playing a factor?
I don't answer red herrings. Only dishonest, cowardly people who realize how horrible their arguments are change the topic like you have been trying to do for several posts now.
Let me re-post my repeated answer to your original point to see if you have any integrity: You are the one who has the burden of proof. You are claiming that blacks are being held to lower standards. You have failed to demonstrate that. You have also failed to acknowledge the information I've given you about admissions processes. Like I said, again, med schools have GPA and MCAT cutoffs. Everyone who makes the cutoff is evaluated individually. You're assuming that race, not any of the multiple other factors, are what determines admission. Prove that it is.
I don't answer red herrings. Only dishonest, cowardly people who realize how horrible their arguments are change the topic like you have been trying to do for several posts now.
Let me re-post my repeated answer to your original point to see if you have any integrity: You are the one who has the burden of proof. You are claiming that blacks are being held to lower standards. You have failed to demonstrate that. You have also failed to acknowledge the information I've given you about admissions processes. Like I said, again, med schools have GPA and MCAT cutoffs. Everyone who makes the cutoff is evaluated individually. You're assuming that race, not any of the multiple other factors, are what determines admission. Prove that it is.
Before you can go to medical school, you have to pass high school.
"Florida Board of Education to Set Lower Standards for Black Students
Last month, the State Board of Education in Florida approved a new set of student achievement guidelines that sets lower standards for Black youth.
Rather than closing the achievement gaps between students of different races, the guidelines simply accept them."
Florida Board of Education to Set Lower Standards for Black Students
CNN) -- The city of New Haven, Connecticut, will promote 14 firefighters who were involved in a workplace discrimination case that worked its way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
The firefighters were among the New Haven 20 -- one Hispanic and 19 white firefighters -- who fought the city after it threw out the results of a 2003 firefighter promotion exam that left too few minorities qualified for promotions.
A U.S. District Court issued a judgment finding the city violated the civil rights of a group of the white firefighters when it threw out the exams in 2004, according to Jessica Mayorga, city spokeswoman. The Tuesday decision follows a court action by seven black New Haven firefighters seeking to delay the promotions.
"Yesterday, the court entered an order that provides the City of New Haven with the legal sanction necessary to move forward and promote the fourteen plaintiffs in the Ricci case entitled to promotions," the city said in a statement. "As a result, we intend to do so as soon as practicable."
The firefighters will be promoted to either lieutenant or captain.
Mayorga said the other six involved in the lawsuit were not eligible for promotions that were available at the time the exams were given. She said the court's order only addresses 14 of the 20 plaintiffs. If the exams had been certified in 2004, the other six plaintiffs would not have been promoted.
The case was the center of attention during the Supreme Court confirmation hearings of now-Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who was on the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals that backed the city in the case. The U.S. Supreme Court eventually overturned the appeals court ruling 5-4 earlier this year when the justices ruled that the city improperly threw out the results of the promotion exams.
Key plaintiff Frank Ricci and others took promotion exams in 2003 for lieutenant and captain positions that had become available in Connecticut's second-largest city.
New Haven's personnel department had contracted with a private firm to design the exams.
When the results came back, however, city lawyers expressed concern about the results because none of the black firefighters and only one Latino who took the exam scored high enough to be promoted.
The city said that under a federal civil rights law known as Title VII, employers must ban actions such as promotion tests that would have a "disparate impact" on a protected class, such as a specified race or gender. The group of firefighters, claiming they were wronged by the city's action, then sued, calling themselves the "New Haven 20."
All it would take is one black congresswoman to get wind of the lack of diversity in a workplace before you had a quota to avoid a lawsuit - even if that means turning away more qualified candidates. If that isn't institutional racism, nothing is.
1.)Ignoring your childish ad hominem defense mechanisms,
2.)I'll point out that you fail to even understand this topic in it's entirety.
3.)Though the topic is institutional racism, a sub argument has spawned about education and how music / media influence one's attitude towards being an intellectual and seeing value in education. If you do not believe people are influenced by such outlets, you are deluding yourself.
4.)If you agree that negative messages regarding education and civil behavior are prevalent in rap music, and that in turn, that music influences people's behavior... What are you arguing?
nope, quotas are illegal :shrug:
and if that did happened behind the scenes it would have nothing to do with AA/EO it would be in violation of it
I don't answer red herrings. Only dishonest, cowardly people who realize how horrible their arguments are change the topic like you have been trying to do for several posts now.
Let me re-post my repeated answer to your original point to see if you have any integrity: You are the one who has the burden of proof. You are claiming that blacks are being held to lower standards. You have failed to demonstrate that. You have also failed to acknowledge the information I've given you about admissions processes. Like I said, again, med schools have GPA and MCAT cutoffs. Everyone who makes the cutoff is evaluated individually. You're assuming that race, not any of the multiple other factors, are what determines admission. Prove that it is.
1. For those students applying to medical school with average GPAs (3.40 to 3.59) and average MCAT scores (27-29), black applicants were almost three times more likely to be admitted than Asian applicants (84.0% vs. 28.1%), and 2.5 times more likely than white applicants (84.0% vs. 34.1%). Likewise, Hispanic students with average GPAs and average MCAT scores were about twice as likely to be accepted to medical school as white applicants (68.0% vs. 34.1%), and more than twice as likely as Asian applicants (68.0% vs. 28.1%). Overall, black (84%) and Hispanic (68%) applicants with average GPAs (3.40 to 3.59) and MCAT scores (27-29) were accepted to medical school at rates much higher than the average of 34.8% for all students with those academic credentials.
2. For students applying to medical school with slightly below average GPAs of 3.20-3.39 and slightly below average MCAT scores of 24-26 (first column in the table), black applicants were more than 7 times more likely to be admitted to medical school as Asians (65.4% vs. 9.1%), and more than 5 times more likely as whites (65.4% vs. 12.2%). Compared to the average acceptance rate of 20.3% for all students applying with that combination of GPA and MCAT score, black and Hispanic applicants were much more likely to be accepted, and white and Asian applicants were much less likely to be accepted to medical school.
3. We find the same pattern for students with slightly above average academic credentials. For example, for applicants with MCAT scores of 30-32 (slightly above average) and GPAs between 3.40-3.59 (average), the acceptance rates for blacks (93.2%) and Hispanics (80.6%) are much higher than for whites (54.2%) and Asians (48%).
In a comparison of black and Chicano students who were admitted at UC medical schools between 1996 and 1997, Karabel (1998) showed that the numbers enrolled dropped by 38 and 29 percent, respectively, immediately after the ban took effect.
engineering, the percent of graduate students who were students of color before the bans was about 6.2 percent. The estimated 1.6 percentage point drop from the analyses thus represents a decline to about 4.6 percent. Expressed as a fraction of the initial value, this is a decline of over a fourth, or 26 percent. Similarly, the bans led to a 19 percent drop in the natural sciences(from 7.8 percent to 6.3 percent), a 15.7 percent drop in the social sciences(from 12.1 percent to 10.2 percent), and an 11.8 percent decline in the humanities(from 10.2 percent to 9 percent)
That's really no surprise. "Dumbing down" for minorities is hardly a new point or even a worthy discussion anymore. Remember when the tests that gauge promotions were thrown out for firefighters in a state up in the Northeast because 19 of the highest 20 scores were from white applicants?
[Edit] I just looked it up. It's Connecticut.
New Haven firefighters in discrimination case get promotions - CNN.com
So yeah...nothing new.
Not only are quotas legal - they're encouraged. Some places receive federal funds based on "diversity".
Of course, the bigger point is that many corporations require "tokens" to pass inspection by the average Joe and win in the courts of public opinion. Image is everything, and even false claims of racism can damage a company's goodwill. This is why corporate lawyers will always settle, even if the lawsuit is bogus in every possible way, when it comes to red-button issues.
Law regarding quotas and affirmative action varies widely from nation to nation. Caste based quotas are used in Reservation in India. However, they are illegal in the United States, where no employer, university, or other entity may create a set number required for each race.[6]
Executive Order numerical goals do not create set-asides for specific groups, nor are they designed to achieve proportional representation or equal results.
The contractor will not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, color, religion, sex or national origin.
Yes, affirmative actions is institutionalized racism.
affirmative action?.
Racism de jure doesn't get any more institutionalized.
nope, quotas are illegal :shrug:
and if that did happened behind the scenes it would have nothing to do with AA/EO it would be in violation of it
Quotas are encouraged. Ever heard of 'diversity training'? It's a nice way of saying 'hire more minorities.'
1.) you mean ignoring the fact i pointed out you were wrong and made something up
2.) wrong again, i am sticking to what I was actually discussing, you tried to make something up and failed
3.) almost but not uite that was NOT what i was discussing but since you brought it up again you are still lying. I never said there was no influence, you fail again. if you disagree by all means quote me saying there was no "influence"
its you deluding yourself to believe lies to make your failed straw man argument seem better, its not working
anything else you want to make up and be wrong at?
4.) never said this but if you are asking. Yes many things can have negative messages and have an influence. Never denied that one single time at all.
again feel free to make up anything else you want of next time simply ask to avoid you being confused.
1.) It is comical that your best defenses are "no, you fail," and "I never said that."