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Should we open the borders?

Should We open the borders?

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I don't think that we should have 100% open boarders, but we should have very liberal immigration policies. Immigrants are important to a healthy culture and economy. With immigration we're pretty much right on replacement with our population as well.

Closed boarders are stupid and harmful to the Republic, most calls to closed boarders are typically rooted in ignorance, emotion, and hysteria.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Actually, the job market is not fixed, but grows depending on demand. The idea is that we take useful people and don't take the bums.
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Right, but demand is also limited. So you're saying we open the borders ... kinda? That's not "opening" the borders.
 
Our immigration policies should benefit all Americans.It should not be used to screw the wages of American citizens.We should impose a temporary ban on entry and visas for citizens of countries we have the most illegal immigration problems with until all those illegals go back to their countries. Border security should be increased to prevent illegal entry into the US while allowing anyone who wants to freely leave with no questions asked.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Why should Americans be entitled to such special treatment? If someone is smarter, hungrier, harder working, then they should be able to come in to this country and take the job. That's what keeps us on top.

We are a country of immigrants.
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It's our country, we ought to come first. If these people are so hungry for success, why can't they stay where they are and make it there?
 
WCH said:
IMO, you need to do a lot more research on the subject. Most of what you say is fancifulness.
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Why should this subject be any different from any of the others?
 
Just a thought:

On some other boards, the ones who supported open borders were generally those who would personally benefit from low skilled, low wage workers.

Would that be the case with any of you?
 
Is there ANY recognised country in the world that has open borders? Now, we know none of the countries with high population has open borders. In fact, their laws are either on par with ours or far more restrictive.
 
Free movement of people (excepting criminals, naturally) should be the ultimate goal.
In foreseeable future, the optimal policy would be steadily increasing immigration while making sure that we also remove obstacles to assimilation and perverse incentives.
 
Peter Grimm said:
People create jobs. And plus, immigrants are peaceful.
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For the most part immigrants are not creating jobs, they are taking jobs that could otherwise be done by Americans. And the poverty they cause by taking American jobs is a recipe for violence.

Our country needs to look after it's own citizens first.
 
ReformCollege said:
Its a national security hazard to have open borders. There are more then just people looking for jobs coming across the border. Drug smugglers, and potentially terrorists, are also free to sneak across an open border. Not to mention, its a case of respectability. No other country in the world lets citizens from another country walk all over the law like we do. Its appalling, illegal immigrants are well.... illegal. We should have a better system for allowing people to come here legally yes, but that's no reason to let people kick mud on the laws on the books.
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I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.
 
274ina said:
When e US CITIZENS can get a job in mexico, japan, CHina, and all the other places. THEN you can have your BS non-existant nation state.

But see when I was in Mexico, they deported the PROSTITUTES that were foreigners and replaced them with Mexicans..............now that is job security

Becasue it is ILLEGAL for any foreigner to work in mexico at ALL.
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And how is that working out for Mexico?

Do you really want to model your immigration policy on Mexico's?
 
274ina said:
Zero USA immigration
Deport all current foreign criminals
it is 100% ILLEGAL for any foreigner to work in USA
All USA tech at collages is a national security concern, all foreigners are banned from USA education.
you will remember that 10+ people building the CHina bomb were educated in USA, besides the current crop stealing our jobs.


That or USA CITIZENSHIP is meaning less.

oh, and enforce SECTION 274 of the INA to jail all the traitors that support "open borders" for supporting and encouraging
illegals in USA.
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American citizenship shouldn't bring with it an attitude of entitlement. If someone is smarter/harder working than a "citizen," I'd rather hire them.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Because having a defined border and limited legal access to be considered a member of the country is what defined THE PHYSICAL COUNTRY.

Having no defined border - or one that is ignored entirely - is completely senseless.

And I don't think you realize that our border DOES provide us with the mean of protecting our selves - a line, on map or otherwise, of defined 'offense' - - and I"m not referring to 'regular old people' - I'm referring to larger entities such as businesses, government, militaries, and drug cartels.

You're thinking ONLY in regard to the regular old guys who want to do no harm - not everyone is a regular old guy doing no harm.
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Protecting us from whom? Mexicans selling oranges by the freeway?
 
Ikari said:
I don't think that we should have 100% open boarders, but we should have very liberal immigration policies. Immigrants are important to a healthy culture and economy. With immigration we're pretty much right on replacement with our population as well.

Closed boarders are stupid and harmful to the Republic, most calls to closed boarders are typically rooted in ignorance, emotion, and hysteria.
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My word, we actually agree on something.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Right, but demand is also limited. So you're saying we open the borders ... kinda? That's not "opening" the borders.
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Read the OP.

"I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record."
 
Muhammed said:
For the most part immigrants are not creating jobs, they are taking jobs that could otherwise be done by Americans. And the poverty they cause by taking American jobs is a recipe for violence.

Our country needs to look after it's own citizens first.
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You're coming from the place that Americans are entitled to those jobs (like picking fruit or mowing lawns). Nobody is entitled to anything. That's not what America is about.

The generations of immigrants that have come here have always come because this is the land of opportunity. We didn't give preferential treatment to those who came on the Mayflower.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.
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Even those conditions would label you a "xenophobe" in the eyes of some. Practical solutions will never be achieved when such intense political interest is involved.
 
Have you even heard of drug cartels? Islamic terrorists?
Under 'king' obama the borders are virtually open.
No, no, and NO.
Decrease legal immigration, then resume at a slow pace.
 
Peter Grimm said:
We should abandon our silly and futile notion of trying to "seal the borders" and just "let the markets work," so to speak.

I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. First, do they have a job? If yes, then they are productive, and they should be allowed to stay. If not, is there someone willing to claim them as a dependent? Is there someone willing to feed, clothe, school them? If so, there is no reason to keep them out of the country. The second condition is that they don't have a criminal record.

Why not seal the border? Well, for one, futility. No matter what we do, people find ways to enter the country. So really, we're kicking and screaming, we're pouring countless resources in to fight a "problem" that is probably never going to be resolved.

Second, aside from pure xenophobia and/or racism, I haven't heard a good argument yet for why we should try to stem the tide of immigrants in to this vast country of ours. You have to admit, that's part of the equation. Nobody would complain if a bunch of blond hair, blue eyed, English speaking Canadians were crossing the border en masse. So I think we need to be mature and ask ourselves if xenophobia is really a good enough reason to literally build a fence between ourselves and our neighbors.

No. Population migrations are a natural phenomenon. It's been going on forever. Massive governments and their laws and walls are artificial phenomenon. Nature will find a way.
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If the blond-haired Canadians were taking jobs from Americans and pushed the pay for a concrete mason from $20/hr in 1985 to $7/hr in 2005, yes we WOULD be screaming.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Why should Americans be entitled to such special treatment? If someone is smarter, hungrier, harder working, then they should be able to come in to this country and take the job. That's what keeps us on top.

We are a country of immigrants.
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A government that does not protect its own citizens from foreigners is no longer a legitimate government.

Do you want the majority of Americans working for fifty cents an hour like in some 3rd world countries?
 
Peter Grimm said:
People create jobs. And plus, immigrants are peaceful.
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Nonsense.

There is a virtual epidemic of drunken driving by certain categories of illegal immigrants, along with fatal car crashes in large numbers.

There's MS13, and the other South American drug cartels, who are already striking murderously at our own law enforcement across the border.


Do you even LIVE in the real world, here?
 
Peter Grimm said:
I went to a top college, Duke, and there were many there who came from overseas. Many of the best and the brightest from around the world attend Duke. Many of my friends from overseas would have loved to have stayed and planted their roots in the United States, but, without corporate sponsorship, they were unable and had to return home.

That, my friend, is a travesty. A complete waste. We need smart and talented people, or simply people willing to work hard (and you don't get in to Duke unless you're willing to work hard), and what do we do? We send them home.
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You are NOT describing the average illegal immigrant. You know that, right?
 
Peter Grimm said:
I think there should be two conditions that, if satisfied, should allow anyone and everyone to enter or exit the United States at will. .
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Ah. Would that include people with no criminal background but suspected ties to terrorist organizations? Shall we let Al Quods enter and leave the US at will?
 
Peter Grimm said:
American citizenship shouldn't bring with it an attitude of entitlement. If someone is smarter/harder working than a "citizen," I'd rather hire them.
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And if you do I'd rather see you fined and go to jail.
 
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