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Is Fascism Right Wing?

Is fascism left or right wing?

  • Left

    Votes: 18 20.2%
  • Right

    Votes: 46 51.7%
  • Neither

    Votes: 16 18.0%
  • Description sucks

    Votes: 9 10.1%

  • Total voters
    89

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In school, I was taught that fascism was not in fact right wing, but compared to American Government, it was very much left wing. Our history class taught that the Nazi party of Germany had a meeting with the Communist Party of Germany to discuss a number of things starting on what slogans would be and what category they would say they were. Fascists were very much left wing, but they looked like right wing extremists compared to the communists, so they decided to call the communists left wing and call the fascists right wing to avoid confusion.
Fascism is left wing because you cannot own a business or large home if you don't toe the line that the ruling party draws.. If you don't toe the line, they take your business and give it to someone who will. It is far right of either communism or socialism in that it allows private property at all. In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.
So fascism is far right of communism but still pretty far left of American conservatism. It's somewhere in the middle.
 
In school, I was taught that fascism was not in fact right wing, but compared to American Government, it was very much left wing. Our history class taught that the Nazi party of Germany had a meeting with the Communist Party of Germany to discuss a number of things starting on what slogans would be and what category they would say they were. Fascists were very much left wing, but they looked like right wing extremists compared to the communists, so they decided to call the communists left wing and call the fascists right wing to avoid confusion.
Fascism is left wing because you cannot own a business or large home if you don't toe the line that the ruling party draws.. If you don't toe the line, they take your business and give it to someone who will. It is far right of either communism or socialism in that it allows private property at all. In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.
So fascism is far right of communism but still pretty far left of American conservatism. It's somewhere in the middle.

Its more so a horseshoe. The far right and the far left are a lot closer to each other then they are to the respective moderates on either side.
 
Fascism is statism, they are the same thing. Both left and right are statists.
 
Its more so a horseshoe. The far right and the far left are a lot closer to each other then they are to the respective moderates on either side.

When you get past the semantics of Communism and Fascism this is more or less the case. The more extreme left or right gets, and the more power they have to execute their beliefs, the less rights everyone else suddenly has.

But anyway, yes, fascism is the polar extreme of right wing ideology, communism the polar extreme of left wing ideology.
 
If you look back to the birth of fascism, you'll see that the term corporatism was considered as a name for the phenomenon.

One of the descriptors is government and business in collusion.
 
When you get past the semantics of Communism and Fascism this is more or less the case. The more extreme left or right gets, and the more power they have to execute their beliefs, the less rights everyone else suddenly has.

But anyway, yes, fascism is the polar extreme of right wing ideology, communism the polar extreme of left wing ideology.


Fascism is the Right wing orgasm of Corporations running the gov't and is pretty much what we have in the USA right now. Big Energy, Banking, Big Pharma and Chemical corporations rule the roost. US Gov't trying to promote GMO seeds for Monsanto. "Too big to fail" bailouts for banksters. Wars to get control of Energy resources. Healthcare bills passed to take care of Big Pharma. We need to discuss starting wars for good business profits.
 
If you look back to the birth of fascism, you'll see that the term corporatism was considered as a name for the phenomenon.

One of the descriptors is government and business in collusion.

Corporatism is fascism and the anti-thesis of free markets.
 
Yes. Its a far right wing authoritarian political ideology. Its a far right wing on the economic scale, and is authoritarian on the vertical scale. So on the standard political spectrum its in the way upper right quadrant.
 
Fascism is the Right wing orgasm of Corporations running the gov't and is pretty much what we have in the USA right now. Big Energy, Banking, Big Pharmam and Chemical corporations rule the roost. US Gov't trying ot promote GMO seeds for Monsanto. "Too big to fail" bailouts for banksters. Wars to get control of Energy resources. Healthcare bills passed to take care of Big Pharma. We need to discuss starting wars for good business profits.

Everything you just mentioned are perfect reasons why we need to reduce the government's power.
 
Its more so a horseshoe. The far right and the far left are a lot closer to each other then they are to the respective moderates on either side.

Interesting response. I'm just really used to so many people screaming that fascism and conservatism are the same thing and then proceeding to equate me to Hitler, so a reasonable tempered response was almost unexpected. Good to be sure that there are more than six sane people on this planet. Most people on this site aren't so crude (except head of joaquin) but the demonstration of ignorance by locals in my town is a bit disheartening sometimes, which is why I made this thread. I wanted to see if everyone was so ignorant or if it's just my town.

And btw, I enjoy your avatar.
 
Yes. Its a far right wing authoritarian political ideology. Its a far right wing on the economic scale, and is authoritarian on the vertical scale. So on the standard political spectrum its in the way upper right quadrant.

I think he said it best.
The more extreme left or right gets, and the more power they have to execute their beliefs, the less rights everyone else suddenly has.
 
Interesting response. I'm just really used to so many people screaming that fascism and conservatism are the same thing and then proceeding to equate me to Hitler, so a reasonable tempered response was almost unexpected. Good to be sure that there are more than six sane people on this planet. Most people on this site aren't so crude (except head of joaquin) but the demonstration of ignorance by locals in my town is a bit disheartening sometimes, which is why I made this thread. I wanted to see if everyone was so ignorant or if it's just my town.

And btw, I enjoy your avatar.

Your signature takes the cake.
 
Really depends on the fascist. Like, the Nazi's would be considered centrists by American standards, but they were right wing by German Standards. Fascism can be either right wing or left. Authoritarian all the way, however.
 
Definitions vary.
In my book, "the Left" means "proponents of government control over economic activities and society at large". The Stalinists being the ultimate "far Left": using our weird contemporary language, "extremely liberal economically, extremely conservative socially". The Nazis were a bit milder on the economic side, and the Fascists substantially less aggressive on both counts, but all three ideologies sit squarely in the "advanced Left" corner.
 
Yes. Its a far right wing authoritarian political ideology. Its a far right wing on the economic scale, and is authoritarian on the vertical scale. So on the standard political spectrum its in the way upper right quadrant.

To my mind Far Right economics indicates Neo-Liberalist economics. I'd Call Facist economics in the form of Nazism and Mussolini Corporatism as the government allowed their exsistance however interfered in their affairs, setting wages and dictating what actions were neccesary for a stronger state, Ever wonder why its National Socialism. Pinochet is the odd one out, combining big government with Neoliberalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics#Economics
Otherwise I agree. :)
 
Fascism is the Right wing orgasm of Corporations running the gov't and is pretty much what we have in the USA right now. Big Energy, Banking, Big Pharma and Chemical corporations rule the roost. US Gov't trying to promote GMO seeds for Monsanto. "Too big to fail" bailouts for banksters. Wars to get control of Energy resources. Healthcare bills passed to take care of Big Pharma. We need to discuss starting wars for good business profits.

Corporatism is statism, not capitalism. Capitalism and corporatism are mutually exclusive ideas. The more of one you have, the less of the other. Capitalism simply describes freedom and free markets. ANY intervention by the state is by definition a distortion and not capitalism.

Corporatism is entirely consistent with the ideology of statism. You agree that governments should have such power to sell in the first place, I do not.
 
I don't really see fascism as being either, but it really depends on how you define the two axes (i.e. more right wing or more left wing in terms of what, exactly). Descriptions of political philosophy along a one dimensional continuum is only useful to a certain extent.
 
Definitions vary.
In my book, "the Left" means "proponents of government control over economic activities and society at large". The Stalinists being the ultimate "far Left": using our weird contemporary language, "extremely liberal economically, extremely conservative socially". The Nazis were a bit milder on the economic side, and the Fascists substantially less aggressive on both counts, but all three ideologies sit squarely in the "advanced Left" corner.

What would you say is the version of extreme right wing ideology?
 
What would you say is the version of extreme right wing ideology?

We libertarians. As far from Pol Pot and Co. in every sense, as possible. And nothing wrong with this 'extremism' :)

( I realize, of course, that this is not common word usage. The problem is, the common word usage makes no sense).
 
In school, I was taught that fascism was not in fact right wing, but compared to American Government, it was very much left wing. Our history class taught that the Nazi party of Germany had a meeting with the Communist Party of Germany to discuss a number of things starting on what slogans would be and what category they would say they were. Fascists were very much left wing, but they looked like right wing extremists compared to the communists, so they decided to call the communists left wing and call the fascists right wing to avoid confusion.
Fascism is left wing because you cannot own a business or large home if you don't toe the line that the ruling party draws.. If you don't toe the line, they take your business and give it to someone who will. It is far right of either communism or socialism in that it allows private property at all. In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.
So fascism is far right of communism but still pretty far left of American conservatism. It's somewhere in the middle.

The left/right paradigm is woefully incomplete. On the Nolan chart, fascism is on the bottom of a diamond, because I entails both economic and social authoritarianism. It essentially combines the worst elements of the left and the right in the inverse of the way libertarianism combines the best of the left and right.
 
Fascism is socially right wing. It is total government control over social policies. Communism is total left wing economics where the economy is regulated by the government.
 
Everything you just mentioned are perfect reasons why we need to reduce the government's power.

Or simply reduce the financial influence of the groups usurping the govt we have.

The cleverest thing ever done is convincing us that the govt THEY select is our problem, NOT that they are selecting who we get to vote between.

Money picks our candidates in the Wealth Primaries.

So the very ones who complain the most are the ones who picked our politicians in the first place.
 
Or simply reduce the financial influence of the groups usurping the govt we have.

And how do we go about doing that again?

The cleverest thing ever done is convincing us that the govt THEY select is our problem, NOT that they are selecting who we get to vote between.

Money picks our candidates in the Wealth Primaries.

So the very ones who complain the most are the ones who picked our politicians in the first place.

You had the option to vote for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinic or Ralph Nader and you refused. No excuses.
 
Oh. It's neither really. It's what was called: The Third Way. (not the third reich).

You had left wing style social control (oppression, govt run public entities like healthcare, water, sewage, etc) coupled with the existence of national market economy, which basically means, that companies, even foreign companies were allowed to exist as long as they hadn't had anti-national agendas, or even better, had pro-national agendas. that's why under fascism, the economy grows so fast because the state sponsors the private sector in order to promote national interest. It's like... ok, so you the state has 1 bil $, you make a company that deals in electronics, you make it work... and then you give it to a nationalist to further advance it. However, fascism is a meritocracy for the most part and the guy who would end up running the company would most likely be the most competent person.

Fascism was big in Italy where Mussolini, who wasn't a fanatic, intended to promote Italian national spirit. Why? Italy has a long history of very city-state focused nations. People in Pisa call themselves Pisans first. people from Milano call themselves Milanians first, etc. We see it even in ancient times. The ROMAN empire, from ROME. People identified with ROME, the city.

And fascism is a bundle of sticks for that same purpose. You have 1 stick (1 city) you can break it easily. You have 2 sticks (2 cities) you can break them easily. You have a bundle, it becomes hard to break. Mossolini wanted all people who lived in Italy to identify themselves as Italians first, as normal people do... I am an Italian from Pisa. I am an Italian from Milano. Not I am a Pisan. I am Napolitan. etc. That was the nationalist element.

Fascism =/= national socialism (nazism) though they share a great deal of elements.
 
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