Strucker
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Your facts are wrong and your analysis is wrong. And then you go back to ad hominems.
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No I don't. There was the intial one...then my apology...and then none subsequent.
Quote them.
Also see Burleigh, M. The Third Reich: A New History (New York, Hill and Wang, 2000) pp 131-133.
A direct quote woiuld have been helpful, and is de riguer on forums like this one. Nevertheless, I did some searching, read some precises and reviews and an interview. I didn't find what you imply I would (I"m not saying it's not there...I don't know, because you don't offer me direct evidence.) However, I did discover this in one review of the book you cite:
In the Third Reich, as he makes clear in a chapter entitled '' 'Miss Becker, Your Head Is at Stake, Your Head Is Wobbling,' ''Nazi terror from above and the demise of the rule of law started just a few days after Hitler's assumption of power in January 1933. Thenceforth the penalties of opposition became higher and higher. In the first nine months alone, at least 100,000 people, most of them leftist Germans, were thrown into hastily erected concentration camps. Others ended up in ordinary prisons and many died. Countless more were roughed up by rampaging brownshirts in broad daylight or taken into police custody on trumped-up political charges.
This rather contradicts what you said earlier..and it is derived from your source.
It is essential to understand this about the Nazis because it explains so much. Attempting to airbrush this out of history as left leaning historians have done is a crime against the truth.
Again, if you're claiming (and you are) that almost the entire scholarly history of fascism going back for many decades is false...worse, a "crime against the truth" (and this includes the work of the conservative Raul Hilberg, universally deemed "the father of Holocaust Studies")...it's a n enormous claim.
You have to provide substantial evidence and serious analysis for such a monumental declaration.
What makes me say that fascism is primarily leftist is its reliance on centralized state power, with all hands turned to the service of the state and the state taking care of everyone's needs, controlling everything. And one other thing which is now associated exclusively with the left these days, which is identity politics.
As I pointed out--and which no one has as of yet refuted--right-wing regimes do manifest in centralized state power; Pinochet, as I mentioned, was only able to adhere to the "Washington consensus"--that is, the dictates of his Master--through extreme centralized power. (Murder, torture, state terror are as extreme as statist power can get.) His sometimes lauded (I still can't believe it) adherence to "free market values" was in fact the opposite, as he used state terror and murder to retain the power of the rich elites.
The same is true for other rightist regimes...Indonesia's Suharto, for example, another great favourite of the West, and responsible for probably more killings than Saddam Hussein.
The examples are legion.
As for identity politics: the identity politics of the contemporary Left centre around race, gender, and sexual identity...but are never designed as agencies of superiority, as with the fascists' "identity politics" of race and nation.
In fact, this is yet another way in which they veer much closer to the right, as the myth demands continual fear and suspicion of the Foeign Other, with militarism deemed the primary way to solve such threats, whether real or imagined.