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Which scandal is the worst

Which obama scandal is the worst

  • Benghazi

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • IRS

    Votes: 9 36.0%

  • AP

    Votes: 5 20.0%

  • fast and furious

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • Total voters
    25
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There are three recent obama scandals and one older one so you have four choices here. I am going with Benghazi because of the deaths and the desperation those people must have felt when they called for help and our president was asleep at the wheel. Then there is the cover up involved in this event and the subsequent lies to the American people.
 
Do any of these involve a Kardashian? If not, most of America won't care.
 
Tough Question.

Benghazi. Because the decision was made to lie to us in the middle of a presidential campaign about it. The IRS thing they just kept under wraps. F&F is a scandal because of bumbling, destructive incompetence that killed people, but government is destructive and bumbling on a pretty consistent basis.

AP and IRS are abuses of power. Benghazi is an abuse of trust.
 
Bloomberg/JPMorgan
 
The policies and practices that led to the financial meltdown in 2008.
 
Citizens United
 
Which scandals?
I prefer the proven ones.
Such as GOP sabotage of
the legislative process.
 
And then there's the made-up intel
leading to Cheney's war of choice.
This thread will backfire on cons.
 
Didn't take long for this thread to get derped up.

Benghazi, and it's not close. The IRS stuff is a minor blip. It's a political talking point and partisan stroke-fest, but hardly an issue. I don't think a few anal probes for people claiming tax exemptions is worthy of anything more than a "tsk tsk" and a slap on the wrist. Few firings, public mea culpa, and move on.
 
Don't forget about recess appointments when Congress wasn't in recess.
 
Obama's recess appointments were far lees than the previous 28 years of POTUS.
More TEAparty nonsense.
 
NIMBY said:
Obama's recess appointments were far lees than the previous 28 years of POTUS.
More TEAparty nonsense.
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Why would you compare 5 years with 28 years?

Did any other POTUS do recess appointments while Congress was NOT in recess?
 
Absolutely, and at a far greater rate.
And politics weren't nearly as dysfunctional
with the past 4 admins' Congresses as they are now.
 
There only one of the three that comes close to being a scandal and that's the one about the IRS. It will be tough to shake because almost everyone hates the IRS.
 
All were WAY worse than Watergate. but if I had to rank:
Benghazi
FnF
IRS/AP
 
mpg said:
Don't forget about recess appointments when Congress wasn't in recess.
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They were in recess. They were conducting no actual legislative business whatsoever. They just staged a fake session with the express goal of blocking a power specifically granted to the president by the US constitution. A real libertarian should be sickened by such a blatant exploitation of a loophole to defy the intent of the constitution.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
There are three recent obama scandals and one older one so you have four choices here. I am going with Benghazi because of the deaths and the desperation those people must have felt when they called for help and our president was asleep at the wheel. Then there is the cover up involved in this event and the subsequent lies to the American people.
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If the IRS really has been targeting conservative groups, there is no question in my mind that the IRS scandal is the worst. Whether or not President Obama or his staff was involved remains to be seen. If you've ever been audited or know anyone who has, you know that your life is turned upside-down. With a number of the organizations, it's my understanding they requested donor lists.

Imagine. You donated $1,000 to the Republican Party. And it triggers a full-blown audit. Dirty politics at its very best. And scary.

Edit: A leader sets the tone. That tone is either a hard black line or a grey blurry one. Which one do you think Obama drew?
 
all 4 are a waste of time and money--something this House is good at--now the TEApot Dome, there's a scandal---in those roaring 20's---and who were those Presidents---Americans never learn
 
Deuce said:
They were in recess. They were conducting no actual legislative business whatsoever. They just staged a fake session with the express goal of blocking a power specifically granted to the president by the US constitution. A real libertarian should be sickened by such a blatant exploitation of a loophole to defy the intent of the constitution.
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Recess appointments are a loophole in the first place, and they usually violate the intent of the Constitution. According to the courts, Obama took it a step further and violated the text of the Constitution.
 
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So are trillions sitting off-shore not paying tax. Who wrote those laws? As your IRS administrator, I'd be after both sides. And who do IRS agents go to work for? Could it be Dirty Laundry?
 
NIMBY said:
Absolutely, and at a far greater rate.
And politics weren't nearly as dysfunctional
with the past 4 admins' Congresses as they are now.
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Are you trying to answer my questions? Please clarify.
 
The one involving the Democrats and the Republicans using our government as a final goal to be obtained exclusively..
 
MaggieD said:
If the IRS really has been targeting conservative groups, there is no question in my mind that the IRS scandal is the worst. Whether or not President Obama or his staff was involved remains to be seen. If you've ever been audited or know anyone who has, you know that your life is turned upside-down. With a number of the organizations, it's my understanding they requested donor lists.

Imagine. You donated $1,000 to the Republican Party. And it triggers a full-blown audit. Dirty politics at its very best. And scary.

Edit: A leader sets the tone. That tone is either a hard black line or a grey blurry one. Which one do you think Obama drew?
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Sadly I see little difference in the lines either of the last two administrations have set. Both abused power. Though most of Obama's at the moment are not settled. Still, there are disturbing elements here even if your not prone to the hysteria promoted by some.

I will ask a question though: has any tea party group reported any penalty given by the IRS?
 
Reagan---240, Bush---77, Clinton---139, Bush---171, Obama--32 as of 1/5/12
 
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