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Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

Will obama finish his second term

  • yes, obama weathers the storm

    Votes: 25 86.2%

  • no. he leaves the office in disgrace

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Total voters
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disneydude said:
Only if you believe FauxNews and the right-wing wacko propaganda. Then again....they are the same ones that told their sheep that all the polls were wrong and the Romney was going to win in a landslide. When are these people going to realize......
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All the media is on this now and that is a bad sign for obama.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Post 13 DiAnna. I hope this refreshes your memory. Your pre edit version.


"He's not going anywhere. I'm not his biggest fan, never have been, but he has done absolutely nothing impeachable or illegal, despite what the right-wing extremists would like us to believe. "
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I never edited that post. I never edited any of my posts. From that point on, every post I made was responding directly to a post you made. Take it or leave it, I'm not going to be part of derailing this thread into a trestise of what you believe I meant. I said what I meant in every post... unedited.

I'm outta here.
 
pbrauer said:
According to Wikipedia: "The scandal escalated, costing Nixon much of his political support, and on August 9, 1974, he resigned in the face of almost certain impeachment and removal from office."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon
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I see it didn't mention Nixon/Goldwater meeting, but I read about it in several books to include Nixon's memoir. I see Wiki says 15 senators, I remember reading 20, but it really doesn't matter. He didn't have the 34 needed anyway.
 
Perotista said:
Yes, if the blogs work the same here as they did over on politico. If not, when I run my updates I'll send it to you. Until you can put names to candidates in the different states, predictions mean little.
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It's a deal! :thumbs:
 
DiAnna said:
I never edited that post. I never edited any of my posts. From that point on, every post I made was responding directly to a post you made. Take it or leave it, I'm not going to be part of derailing this thread into a trestise of what you believe I meant. I said what I meant in every post... unedited.

I'm outta here.
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You tried to say you always included the words "there is no evidence". Post 13 proves you were mistaken or making things up as you went along. No reason to get in a snit and run off just acknowledge your error and move on.
 
Obama will be fine...except that he will lose support from all on Capitol Hill except the most die-hard Democrats. He will be one of the lamest ducks in history.

The rest of the Democrats, however, will see a whole lot of problems from this come 2014 and 2016 elections.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
That is a fair point but I never saw any sense of shame in him whereas you could see Nixon falling apart.
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I was a Republican and a big fan of Nixon back then. I remember how sad I was on that day when I watch him on TV.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You tried to say you always included the words "there is no evidence". Post 13 proves you were mistaken or making things up as you went along. No reason to get in a snit and run off just acknowledge your error and move on.
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How incredibly dishonest your post is. Here's the entire exchange. Please point out where I ever tried to say I always included the words "there is no evidence" in every post I made on this topic. Even if you continue to shove words in my mouth, your dishonesty is now exposed for all who care to see it. In the future, I'll expend my energy on posters who do not use fabrication and dishonesty, replying to my posts, not trying to twist them. To say you disappoint me is an understatement, and a lesson I won't forget.

DiAnna said:
He's not going anywhere. I'm not his biggest fan, never have been, but he has done absolutely nothing impeachable or illegal, despite what the right-wing extremists would like us to believe.
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sawyerloggingon said:
How in the world can you be so sure of that?
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DiAnna said:
I can't be "sure" of anything. Unlike others, however, I require evidence. There. Is. None.
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sawyerloggingon said:
Thats fine and I agree with you but that is not what your previous post said. You said he has done nothing wrong which of course is impossible to know and proves your bias. With all the lies and deceit that he has been part of I think there is a very good chance he has indeed done something very wrong but I like you will require solid evidence.
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DiAnna said:
I said he has done nothing wrong, because there is no evidence to suggest that he has. That's not bias. Presuming that he probably has done something wrong, or there's a good chance he has done something IS bias.

It's ludicrous to say I am biased toward Obama. I have said from the beginning that he was an unqualified empty suit, and people would regret the day they put him in office. I don't think he's a bad person; I think he's an overly ambitious person who had his eye on the WH from the beginning of his "career" in public service. So yeah, he has shown his inexperience, surrounded himself with inexperience, throw in a dozen global crises, the collapse of several ME governments, and various domestic/international ****storms that even an experienced leader would struggle with, and we end up with a mediocre president who is doing the best he can in a job that, according to his gray hair, he realized immediately was beyond him.

So thanks, GOP, for giving us Mitt Romney as an alternative. Yeah... that was sarcasm.
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sawyerloggingon said:
The bold part was not in your original post but your edit means I am getting through to you.:)
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DiAnna said:
WTF are you talking about. I bolded the part of the post you quoted because I wanted you to read it. I haven't edited any of my posts here. And thanks for letting me know not to bother with complete explanations when dealing with you, as you clearly don't read what is written and prefer to select a snippet subject to your interpretation instead.
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sawyerloggingon said:
Post 13 DiAnna. I hope this refreshes your memory. Your pre edit version.


"He's not going anywhere. I'm not his biggest fan, never have been, but he has done absolutely nothing impeachable or illegal, despite what the right-wing extremists would like us to believe. "
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DiAnna said:
I never edited that post. I never edited any of my posts. From that point on, every post I made was responding directly to a post you made. Take it or leave it, I'm not going to be part of derailing this thread into a trestise of what you believe I meant. I said what I meant in every post... unedited.

I'm outta here.
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sawyerloggingon said:
You tried to say you always included the words "there is no evidence". Post 13 proves you were mistaken or making things up as you went along. No reason to get in a snit and run off just acknowledge your error and move on.
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DiAnna said:
How incredibly dishonest your post is. Here's the entire exchange. Please point out where I ever tried to say I always included the words "there is no evidence" in every post I made on this topic. Even if you continue to shove words in my mouth, your dishonesty is now exposed for all who care to see it. In the future, I'll expend my energy on posters who do not use fabrication and dishonesty, replying to my posts, not trying to twist them. To say you disappoint me is an understatement, and a lesson I won't forget.
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Talk about twisting words.You are twisting the entire conversation. You started out saying "He has done absolutely nothing illegal or impeachable". I called you on it and forced you to add "there is no evidence". Sheesh Di, get over it, all I did was point out the fact that you initially declared obama innocent of all charges based on nothing but your emotions and bias, no big deal.The following post should have ended the conversation.

Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon

"Thats fine and I agree with you but that is not what your previous post said. You said he has done nothing wrong which of course is impossible to know and proves your bias. With all the lies and deceit that he has been part of I think there is a very good chance he has indeed done something very wrong but I like you will require solid evidence."
 
So you agree there is no evidence Obama did anything illegal or impeachable?
sawyerloggingon said:
Talk about twisting words.You are twisting the entire conversation. You started out saying "He has done absolutely nothing illegal or impeachable". I called you on it and forced you to add "there is no evidence". Sheesh Di, get over it, all I did was point out the fact that you initially declared obama innocent of all charges based on nothing but your emotions and bias, no big deal.The following post should have ended the conversation.

Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon

"Thats fine and I agree with you but that is not what your previous post said. You said he has done nothing wrong which of course is impossible to know and proves your bias. With all the lies and deceit that he has been part of I think there is a very good chance he has indeed done something very wrong but I like you will require solid evidence."
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mak2 said:
So you agree there is no evidence Obama did anything illegal or impeachable?
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Have I ever said the opposite? My conversation with Diana made my position perfectly clear.

Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon

"Thats fine and I agree with you but that is not what your previous post said. You said he has done nothing wrong which of course is impossible to know and proves your bias. With all the lies and deceit that he has been part of I think there is a very good chance he has indeed done something very wrong but I like you will require solid evidence."
 
Obama will come out smelling like roses because none of this is his fault.
 
Perotista said:
Don't pay much attention to politics, huh?
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... or, more likely is quite savvy at politics and understands the difference between a real scandal and noise.... and, like noise, trying to promote three scandals at once will only lead to NOISE, with the lack of clarity leading to everyone tuning out.
 
Well he's got 3.5 years left of the 8 hes been elected for, so I guess we're over the hill.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I am no fan of obama but if he goes down we are left with Biden who is dumber of dumb and dumber so I am not rooting for obama's presidency to go up in smoke but I can't help but think he is in serious trouble. It has been one scandal after another and when he dodged the question today about when he knew what the IRS was doing alarms went off. If he is tied to this IRS thing he is done. So what do you think, does obama weather the storm or are we seeing another Nixon in the making?
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What makes you think that the mud won't stick to Biden also?

I doubt we are actually seeing the end of him though. While it is possible, I just don't see the Dems cleaning up their own mess. They have absolutely no history of doing so at that high a level. Some may make speeches and speak out, but if it actually comes down to an vote to uphold an impeachment in the Senate, not a single Dem is going to ever cross the isle in that fashion.

Don't worry, if some miracle of miracles does somehow come to be, Biden will be too tainted to be anything other than a place holding lame duck. If it looks like the Dems might actually go for an impeachment, the first indication will be that Biden steps down is replaced by a Dem that is not tainted by association with Obama. You see Biden resign, then yeah, it's the end of Obama, otherwise, don't waste your time thinking about it.

Further, with the extremely poor political memory that the voting public has demonstrated for a longtime now, the fact it is happening now probably won't even hurt the damned liberals in next years elections. As last years elections demonstrated, the voting public largely doesn't give a **** about these things. They want their entitlements and they really don't care if Obama and his crowd tear up the Constitution and use it for toilet paper as long as it doesn't take away the government pandering to their stupidity and greed.
 
upsideguy said:
... or, more likely is quite savvy at politics and understands the difference between a real scandal and noise.... and, like noise, trying to promote three scandals at once will only lead to NOISE, with the lack of clarity leading to everyone tuning out.
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Time will tell, but political storm I think is the right word.
 
Funny, his approval rating is unchanged. Faux and the RW blogoshpere are simply going to have to try harder.
 
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