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How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

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davidtaylorjr said:
Not taking the Lord's name in vain since He himself said it is an abomination to him. And it does not go against the golden rule.
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And yet you continue to assert is is without providing any proof.
 
Verthaine said:
You can't "make them" because you don't have the "power and control" to do so.
If you had that power,for all anyone here knows that is exactly what you might do.
None of us know you like that,so please understand if any assurances that you wouldn't are meaningless.
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Not really sure what your point was there....
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Not taking the Lord's name in vain since He himself said it is an abomination to him. And it does not go against the golden rule.
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That is according to your false god. My real God says it isn't a sin. Therefore you are sinning.

*edit* you only responded to 1 of the 3 points so ill assume you admit you are sinning based on the other 2
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Not really sure what your point was there....
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Then let me make it very plain.

1-You do not own "God"
2-You are not the only one who can "speak for God".
3-Beliefs are not necessarily facts.
4-If you say something is "TRUE" then the burden of responsibility falls upon YOU.
5-No one here is required to accept any variation of "because I said so" as proof.
6-God is fully capable of speaking for God.No one is require to take the second or third hand accounts of people thousands of years ago.
7-Just because people wrote something thousands of years ago does not necissarilly make it "TRUE" unless there is evidence to support that.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

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davidtaylorjr said:
Clearly you don't know the real God.
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The relationship between the Supreme and an Individual is between the Supreme and THAT Individual.It has nothing to do what so ever to do with YOU.Your comment is the height of vanity.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Except you pointed out something that frustrates you. Not a sin. SSM is a sin according to the God of Abraham, the one and only true God. Therefore, by arguing against that, how can that be a sin?
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Exactly what do you know what frustrates me?
Pretty vain of you to do so.

I argue that homosexuality is a sin according to the Abrahamic Monotheists.As someone who follows Taoism I know that Taoism does not view Homosexuality as a sin.
If you want me to accept homosexuality as a sin,then you have to provide the evidence that is is ni fact so.
Variations of "Because I said so" just is not acceptable to me.

The only reason I place the line "Because you want people to accept your beliefs without question,without you having to provide any proof what so ever when asked" is because you keep providing the evidence that that is the case.
 
Verthaine said:
Exactly what do you know what frustrates me?
Pretty vain of you to do so.

I argue that homosexuality is a sin according to the Abrahamic Monotheists.As someone who follows Taoism I know that Taoism does not view Homosexuality as a sin.
If you want me to accept homosexuality as a sin,then you have to provide the evidence that is is ni fact so.
Variations of "Because I said so" just is not acceptable to me.

The only reason I place the line "Because you want people to accept your beliefs without question,without you having to provide any proof what so ever when asked" is because you keep providing the evidence that that is the case.
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"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13).

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24).

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).

Jude testifies about God's fiery destruction of Sodom for "sexual immorality":

"As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 7)

Exactly what type of "sexual immorality" and "strange flesh" had the Sodomites "gone after"? It was homosexuality:

"Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:4-5)
 
cabse5 said:
If there's no DOMA there's no federal right for gay marriage.
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People seem to think that SSM needs to be granted as a right. That's not true at all. People have a right to it unless there's a law preventing it. That's how American law works. That's how the tenth amendment actually works.

davidtaylorjr said:
You are twisting words. Sin was the result of a free choice.
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Which is nonsense if you believe the story. Adam and Eve didn't have the knowledge to make an informed choice until they sinned and ate the fruit. Their big crime was believing the snake, but they had no concept of good or evil and thus couldn't understand lying. God set up a test that they were designed to fail. He created people with the naivety and understanding of children and then punished them for not acting like adults.

winston53660 said:
No I'm not twisting words. Why would god create gays in the first place then make a rule against it?
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Well, if you read the bible, you'll find out that god is kind of a dick. In addition to being a rapist genocidal sadist. Also kind of a dick. See the above note about original sin for the very first example.

davidtaylorjr said:
No, I can't make them. However, if they are wrong, they have grave consequences, if I am wrong, then I look like a fool. However, I'm not wrong.
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I like how people make this argument but completely ignore that they are risking those same consequences if someone else's religion is correct. I highly doubt that many modern Christians are going to die gloriously in battle and so won't sit at Odin's table in Valhalla, but will instead suffer in the Norse Hel. Or will suffer in the Muslim Hell because Islam is right. Or in Tartarus. Or suffer the cycle of Samsara. Or a thousand other awful afterlives that people who were just as sure in their religion were certain were real. Pascal's Wager only works if you guess right. Just because Christianity and Islam are two of the most popular religions really has no bearing on their verity. Maybe the real right religion has been extinct for a thousand years and now no one gets to enjoy the good afterlife or know the truth about the divine.

Anyway, I find it kind of funny when people make that kind of argument but forget that it goes both ways. But they're always so sure that theirs is the right religion.
 
Paschendale said:
People seem to think that SSM needs to be granted as a right. That's not true at all. People have a right to it unless there's a law preventing it. That's how American law works. That's how the tenth amendment actually works.



Which is nonsense if you believe the story. Adam and Eve didn't have the knowledge to make an informed choice until they sinned and ate the fruit. Their big crime was believing the snake, but they had no concept of good or evil and thus couldn't understand lying. God set up a test that they were designed to fail. He created people with the naivety and understanding of children and then punished them for not acting like adults.



Well, if you read the bible, you'll find out that god is kind of a dick. In addition to being a rapist genocidal sadist. Also kind of a dick. See the above note about original sin for the very first example.



I like how people make this argument but completely ignore that they are risking those same consequences if someone else's religion is correct. I highly doubt that many modern Christians are going to die gloriously in battle and so won't sit at Odin's table in Valhalla, but will instead suffer in the Norse Hel. Or will suffer in the Muslim Hell because Islam is right. Or in Tartarus. Or suffer the cycle of Samsara. Or a thousand other awful afterlives that people who were just as sure in their religion were certain were real. Pascal's Wager only works if you guess right. Just because Christianity and Islam are two of the most popular religions really has no bearing on their verity. Maybe the real right religion has been extinct for a thousand years and now no one gets to enjoy the good afterlife or know the truth about the divine.

Anyway, I find it kind of funny when people make that kind of argument but forget that it goes both ways. But they're always so sure that theirs is the right religion.
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Christianity has never been proven wrong, other religions have.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Christianity has never been proven wrong, other religions have.
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So the wine really turns into blood?

Also, I would love to hear your proof that Hinduism is wrong. Obviously I would want that proof to not rely on some other religion being right and Hinduism thus being wrong by process of elimination.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13).

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24).

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).

Jude testifies about God's fiery destruction of Sodom for "sexual immorality":

"As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 7)

Exactly what type of "sexual immorality" and "strange flesh" had the Sodomites "gone after"? It was homosexuality:

"Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:4-5)
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Wow you can quote a book that means what exactly? Oh yeah it means you believe in a wrong version of good. How does any of that make beliefs worth more than mine or anyone elses? Oh yeah it doesn't
You cannot prove your point by quoting the bible you need to actually prove your point so far you have only proved that you believe in the wrong God.
 
Paschendale said:
So the wine really turns into blood?

Also, I would love to hear your proof that Hinduism is wrong. Obviously I would want that proof to not rely on some other religion being right and Hinduism thus being wrong by process of elimination.
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Christianity doesn't believe that wine turns into blood.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13).

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24).

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).

Jude testifies about God's fiery destruction of Sodom for "sexual immorality":

"As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 7)

Exactly what type of "sexual immorality" and "strange flesh" had the Sodomites "gone after"? It was homosexuality:

"Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:4-5)
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I am not arguing what the BIBLE said.
Second or third hand hear say is not evidence.
You can use the canard that was "inspired" by the God,but ultimately that's just your and the people who choose to believe it opinion.The people who wrote all that are long dead,so we can't exactly question them as to their motivations,now can we.
All you have shown me is that someone wrote that.

If you get to hold up a book as evidence,so do I.

From the Tao Te Ching:
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When people see some things as beautiful,
other things become ugly.
When people see some things as good,
other things become bad.

Being and non-being create each other.
Difficult and easy support each other.
Long and short define each other.
High and low depend on each other.
Before and after follow each other.

Therefore the Master
acts without doing anything
and teaches without saying anything.
Things arise and she lets them come;
things disappear and she lets them go.
She has but doesn't possess,
acts but doesn't expect.
When her work is done, she forgets it.
That is why it lasts forever.

4

The Tao is like a well:
used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities.

It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God.

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When the great Tao is forgotten,
goodness and piety appear.
When the body's intelligence declines,
cleverness and knowledge step forth.
When there is no peace in the family,
filial piety begins.
When the country falls into chaos,
patriotism is born.

25

There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born.
It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.
For lack of a better name,
I call it the Tao.

It flows through all things,
inside and outside, and returns
to the origin of all things.

The Tao is great.
The universe is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
These are the four great powers.

Man follows the earth.
Earth follows the universe.
The universe follows the Tao.
The Tao follows only itself.
 
Quag said:
Again Hubris and without proof. You are full of sin today
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The problem isn't that he is full of sin today,the problem is that he is apparently (that's just my observation) unrepentant of the sins he is committing here on DP.Com
 
Verthaine said:
I am not arguing what the BIBLE said.
Second or third hand hear say is not evidence.
You can use the canard that was "inspired" by the God,but ultimately that's just your and the people who choose to believe it opinion.The people who wrote all that are long dead,so we can't exactly question them as to their motivations,now can we.
All you have shown me is that someone wrote that.

If you get to hold up a book as evidence,so do I.

From the Tao Te Ching:
2

When people see some things as beautiful,
other things become ugly.
When people see some things as good,
other things become bad.

Being and non-being create each other.
Difficult and easy support each other.
Long and short define each other.
High and low depend on each other.
Before and after follow each other.

Therefore the Master
acts without doing anything
and teaches without saying anything.
Things arise and she lets them come;
things disappear and she lets them go.
She has but doesn't possess,
acts but doesn't expect.
When her work is done, she forgets it.
That is why it lasts forever.

4

The Tao is like a well:
used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities.

It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God.

18

When the great Tao is forgotten,
goodness and piety appear.
When the body's intelligence declines,
cleverness and knowledge step forth.
When there is no peace in the family,
filial piety begins.
When the country falls into chaos,
patriotism is born.

25

There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born.
It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.
For lack of a better name,
I call it the Tao.

It flows through all things,
inside and outside, and returns
to the origin of all things.

The Tao is great.
The universe is great.
Earth is great.
Man is great.
These are the four great powers.

Man follows the earth.
Earth follows the universe.
The universe follows the Tao.
The Tao follows only itself.
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Then I guess we will see who is right on judgement day.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Christianity doesn't believe that wine turns into blood.
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Don't you love how Protestants like to gloss over that Catholicism was the only major form of Christianity for a thousand years? And for some reason American Protestants, as opposed to a lot of others, like to pretend that Catholicism is some other religion, as opposed to the original flavor of theirs.

Well, DTJ, I don't personally know what kind of weird things you think are true and I don't feel like playing a guessing game. Why don't you offer something from your religion that I, as someone who does not share it with you, will dispute and then you can show me how it's true? We can save ourselves a lot of time that way, and you even get to pick what we'll talk about.
 
Paschendale said:
Don't you love how Protestants like to gloss over that Catholicism was the only major form of Christianity for a thousand years? And for some reason American Protestants, as opposed to a lot of others, like to pretend that Catholicism is some other religion, as opposed to the original flavor of theirs.

Well, DTJ, I don't personally know what kind of weird things you think are true and I don't feel like playing a guessing game. Why don't you offer something from your religion that I, as someone who does not share it with you, will dispute and then you can show me how it's true? We can save ourselves a lot of time that way, and you even get to pick what we'll talk about.
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I believe that God created the Universe, man sinned, man is in need of a Savior, God sent Christ, his son, to earth to die for our sin if we accept Him.
 
winston53660 said:
Then why take communion?
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Does that work if you're not Christian? I mean, do the people who are taking communion and think that the wine turns into blood claim that it will do so regardless of whether you believe it will or not? Because it seems really silly of me not to try it myself and test it if they do.

Anyway, none of this religious digression really has anything to do with the OP. Making laws in this country based on nothing but religious belief is totally unconstitutional.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Then I guess we will see who is right on judgement day.
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That is such a cop out answer.
In oriental cultures,what you just did is refered to as "saving face".
It is an aspect of vanity.

Please provide evidence that there will in fact be a "Judgement Day".

In oriental
 
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