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GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

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calamity said:
Since the Syria-Libya axis is and has been forever in the middle of the Russian-US cold war conflict, I'd simply say you are probably not up on the nuance, ie: you simply react to the bright shiny object Fox News puts in front of your nose. "Syria gave Libya American guns!"

BTW, we armed the Libyan rebels directly when they were overthrowing Qaddafi. You know who he was. Right?

BTW, as to the distance issue. When Libya was arming Syrian rebels, Libya had a functioning government, weapons deals with Muslim rebels in Syria and working out the logistics was just part of that government's operation.

The Rebels in Syria have no way to ship weapons to Libya. For them shipping arms several thousand miles is a impossible. Besides, the Syrian rebels need their weapons. Are you suggesting that Assad ships arms to his enemies in Libya?
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Are you saying that there is a reasonable chance that a gun running operation of some kind was happening in the area? Sounds like there is room for more questions to be answered, Right? BTW My question about the direction of weapon shipments aren't my allegations or inventions. Former military personnel have suggested this. I just think the questions are worth asking. Is there something you'd rather not know?
 
calamity said:
Crazed Muslims attacked a US installation in Libya. Call out the dogs for 18 months. Are you serious?

This crap has been investigated to death. You guys and your show trials.

Like I said, I am happy the GOP is doing this. Impeachment cost the GOP the majority and sent Gingrich packing. I imagine this nonsense will result in a few GOP heads rolling as well.

Have at it. I'll be laughing my ass off.
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The investigation could have been finished in the first round had the white house fully co-operated. And the truth is that you are not laughing. You are in reality quite nervous about what could come out of the investigation and how it will affect the democrats in the midterms in November.
 
johndylan1 said:
Are you saying that there is a reasonable chance that a gun running operation of some kind was happening in the area? Sounds like there is room for more questions to be answered, Right? BTW My question about the direction of weapon shipments aren't my allegations or inventions. Former military personnel have suggested this. I just think the questions are worth asking. Is there something you'd rather not know?
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If the CIA is involved, any information about said operation would be top secret.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If the CIA is involved, any information about said operation would be top secret.
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Yea, it would. That would mean that in the unfortunate case of a botched operation, a cover story would be needed.

I'd rather hear from the government that it was a top secret operation that went bad. Apologize to the families and the public for ineptitude, have figure heads resign who were in charge, then have closed door hearings to improve process. Instead we get a lame cover story worthy of a 6 year old's imagination.

So heck yea I want an investigation.
 
johndylan1 said:
Yea, it would. That would mean that in the unfortunate case of a botched operation, a cover story would be needed.

I'd rather hear from the government that it was a top secret operation that went bad. Apologize to the families and the public for ineptitude, have figure heads resign who were in charge, then have closed door hearings to improve process. Instead we get a lame cover story worthy of a 6 year old's imagination.

So heck yea I want an investigation.
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Maybe they cannot reveal information about anything top secret that is actively going on right now?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Maybe they cannot reveal information about anything top secret that is actively going on right now?
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If that is so, then the congressional leaders already know it and the upcoming hearings are a show for political purposes. However, if this is the case the subsequent political show and impact on the electorate is the only measure of accountability possible, because no one will be able to be directly dismissed without explanation.
 
johndylan1 said:
If that is so, then the congressional leaders already know it and the upcoming hearings are a show for political purposes. However, if this is the case the subsequent political show and impact on the electorate is the only measure of accountability possible, because no one will be able to be directly dismissed without explanation.
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An explination might have to wait 60 years if any documents that are classified follow the pattern established in World War Two.
 
calamity said:
Since the Syria-Libya axis is and has been forever in the middle of the Russian-US cold war conflict, I'd simply say you are probably not up on the nuance, ie: you simply react to the bright shiny object Fox News puts in front of your nose. "Syria gave Libya American guns!"

BTW, we armed the Libyan rebels directly when they were overthrowing Qaddafi. You know who he was. Right?

BTW, as to the distance issue. When Libya was arming Syrian rebels, Libya had a functioning government, weapons deals with Muslim rebels in Syria and working out the logistics was just part of that government's operation.

The Rebels in Syria have no way to ship weapons to Libya. For them shipping arms several thousand miles is a impossible. Besides, the Syrian rebels need their weapons. Are you suggesting that Assad ships arms to his enemies in Libya?

Oh, ALex Jones is a conspiracy pusher who has a large group of idiots as his following.
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I believe they were suggesting that the arms were going to Syria. Libyan rebels had already been armed. Reacquiring those arms and forwarding them to the battle in Syria via turkey was the allegation.
 
johndylan1 said:
I believe they were suggesting that the arms were going to Syria. Libyan rebels had already been armed. Reacquiring those arms and forwarding them to the battle in Syria via turkey was the allegation.
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And this is related to the attacks in Benghazi how?
 
ObamacareFail said:
The investigation could have been finished in the first round had the white house fully co-operated. And the truth is that you are not laughing. You are in reality quite nervous about what could come out of the investigation and how it will affect the democrats in the midterms in November.
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I see it hurting more the GOP like it did in November 2012. You don't think the average American, you know those who don't watch Fox, gives a crap about Benghazi?

THe GOP will probably win seats because they have a motivated dedicated base who shows up for Midterms elections. THe D's have everyone else--and everyone else only votes once every 4 years. I'm not voting in November. Why bother? I'm not that concerned with local elections, and our congressman, Boehner, runs unopposed. My wifeisn't going to vote either, I suspect. Just to give a pair of examples.

However, there is a chance that this Benghazi overreach crap and the Obamacare successes coupled with RW obstruction in Red States gets out some D votes which would otherwise have stayed home.
 
calamity said:
And this is related to the attacks in Benghazi how?
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The cia mission was to facilitate the re-acquisition and redirect the weapons. The rebels present in Benghazi Lybia didn't appreciate the recollection operation, and therefore attacked the mission, as the theory goes.
 
johndylan1 said:
The cia mission was to facilitate the re-acquisition and redirect the weapons. The rebels present in Benghazi Lybia didn't appreciate the recollection operation, and therefore attacked the mission, as the theory goes.
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I'm sure the CIA was up to all sorts of crap. You've heard, I am sure, of all the allegations of illegal torture where the interrogation films were "lost". I would not be surprised of anything regarding CIA activity.
 
calamity said:
I see it hurting more the GOP like it did in November 2012. You don't think the average American, you know those who don't watch Fox, gives a crap about Benghazi?

THe GOP will probably win seats because they have a motivated dedicated base who shows up for Midterms elections. THe D's have everyone else--and everyone else only votes once every 4 years. I'm not voting in November. Why bother? I'm not that concerned with local elections, and our congressman, Boehner, runs unopposed. My wifeisn't going to vote either, I suspect. Just to give a pair of examples.

However, there is a chance that this Benghazi overreach crap and the Obamacare successes coupled with RW obstruction in Red States gets out some D votes which would otherwise have stayed home.
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I hate to be the one to break this to you, however Fox is the leading cable news network. That suggests that the average American is more likely to watch Fox News then any other network. And according to opinion polls the majority of Americans want congress to get to the bottom of the Benghazi scandal. And that is not all the democrats will have going against them in the midterms. Obamacare will actually do them more damage. Add to that the fact that in the Senate, the Democrats will have a lot more vulnerable seats up for grabs.
 
calamity said:
I'm sure the CIA was up to all sorts of crap. You've heard, I am sure, of all the allegations of illegal torture where the interrogation films were "lost". I would not be surprised of anything regarding CIA activity.
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Like I said, I don't know but there are real questions out there. Maybe we'll just leave it there as we seem to have come to a place of partial agreement.
 
johndylan1 said:
Like I said, I don't know but there are real questions out there. Maybe we'll just leave it there as we seem to have come to a place of partial agreement.
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If the GOp exposes CIA malfeasance, I'll take my hat off to them.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I hate to be the one to break this to you, however Fox is the leading cable news network. That suggests that the average American is more likely to watch Fox News then any other network. And according to opinion polls the majority of Americans want congress to get to the bottom of the Benghazi scandal. And that is not all the democrats will have going against them in the midterms. Obamacare will actually do them more damage. Add to that the fact that in the Senate, the Democrats will have a lot more vulnerable seats up for grabs.
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THe average American does not watch much news. Hence, Fox has only about 2 million viewers instead of 20 million, like American Idol or whatever is really hot on TV.

According to Nielsen data through Dec. 8, Fox News Channel averaged 1.774 million viewers in primetime (down 13% from 2012) and 297,000 adults 25-54 (down 30%). It was followed by MSNBC with 645,000 viewers and 203,000 adults 25-54 (down 29% in both); CNN with 578,000 (down 15%) and 187,000 adults 25-54 (down 16%); and HLN with 403,000 total viewer (up 21%) and 142,000 in the demo (up 27%).

Fox News Remains Ratings Champ As 2013 Comes to Close | Variety
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Most people do not care about this crap. Hence the low turnout in midterms.
 
calamity said:
If the GOp exposes CIA malfeasance, I'll take my hat off to them.
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The CIA op was under the banner of the state department, therefore the GOP will rip Hillary and downplay the CIA involvement....
 
DiAnna said:
And you think another partisian Circus de Issa is going to lead to "the truth?" Bwahahahaha! That is NOT what congressional hearings are designed for. They are designed for committee members to give speeches to their constituents consistent with their particular political needs, either left or right, to push their version of "the truth" while casting aspersions on the "other side", which can then be neatly sound-bited during election years. The "real truth", if anyone has even managed to figure it out yet, would be in thousands of pages of investigative results, which interest neither journalist nor congress-critter. :lol:
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Perhaps DiAnna should stay a bit more current on the news. Issa will not be chairing the latest Investigation. Rep Gowdy will.
 
iguanaman said:
So you disagree with a military order, yawn. This must be the first time someone in the chain of command screwed up. Sound the trumpets.
If any of you really cared about American lives you would be pushing for more money for Embassy security instead of this nonsense.
Turning the death of an ambassador into this 3 ring circus for political gain is despicable.
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Are you afraid something will come out of it that will hurt your party in the midterms?
 
calamity said:
It's just typical political grandstanding---something politicians do regardless the significance. So, it's not really a disgrace even though it is disgraceful.
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I don't care what it is....as long as the truth finally comes out.
 
DaveFagan said:
Eleven (11) embassies were attacked under the administration of GWShiiteForBrains and 61 people died and the same investigators, screamers, partisan turds, and trogolodytes ignored those attacks. I must have missed something. Why not investigate the first eleven to see if a security problem existed and could be corrected. Since we're not doing that, it must be partisan politics and Obama will always be a liar on this matter. Why doesn't the administration just say, "is it possible our security was lax and we need to study all 12 incidents to make security recommendations?"
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Have at it...,...and keep the Benghazi investigation going until the truth comes out.
 
mtm1963 said:
noonan does a good job of summing the situation up, it fact, hits the nail on the head.


The Inconvenient Truth About Benghazi

Why couldn't the administration tolerate the idea that Benghazi was a planned terrorist event? Because they didn't want this attack dominating the headline with an election coming. It would open the administration to criticism of its intervention in Libya. President Obama had supported overthrowing Muammar Gadhafi and put U.S. force behind the Libyan rebels. Now Libyans were killing our diplomats. Was our policy wrong? More importantly, the administration's efforts against al Qaeda would suddenly come under scrutiny and questioning. The president, after the killing of Osama bin Laden, had taken to suggesting al Qaeda was over. Al Qaeda was done. But if an al Qaeda offshoot in Libya was killing our diplomats, the age of terrorism was not over.

The Inconvenient Truth About Benghazi - WSJ.com
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That is a fault that gets progressive politicians into trouble. They push a given theme such as: "We got Bin Laden...al queda is dead" and just expect that we will all buy it. If something happens that blows that theory, they cover it up....and say "Let's blame the video". That was not Obama's first example of such tortured judgement. After the jihadist shot up Fort Hood in Texas, Obama rushed out the label of "work place violence" instead of calling it what it was....a terrorist act. He also hesitated as long as he could before accepting that the Boston Marathon bombers were terrorists. And Bill Clinton refused armor support for an op in Somalia that he ordered. He refused to allow the armor support because he wanted to be seen as pulling out of Somalia.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Perhaps DiAnna should stay a bit more current on the news. Issa will not be chairing the latest Investigation. Rep Gowdy will.
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Perhaps ObamacareFail should read a bit more carefully what my post actually said, instead of what he wishes it had said.

...and you think another partisan Circus de Issa is going to lead to "the truth?"...
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No matter who "chairs" it, this will still be another partisan circus, just like Issa's.
 
DiAnna said:
Perhaps ObamacareFail should read a bit more carefully what my post actually said, instead of what he wishes it had said.



No matter who "chairs" it, this will still be another partisan circus, just like Issa's.
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You are only considering it a partisan circus because of Obama's party label. Everyone can see that.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are only considering it a partisan circus because of Obama's party label. Everyone can see that.
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Only those who are so filled with ideological hatred that they have separated the entire country into "us"... those who hate Obama... and "them"... those who don't hate Obama... can "see that." I personally have no use for either political party, and hold both in equal contempt.

Nor am I now nor have I ever been an Obama fan, having repeatedly referred to him as unqualified, inexperienced, inept. So your attempts to label me as "them" because I am not so blinded by hatred that I can clearly see the obvious are, appropriately, a Fail for you. :)
 
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