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Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

As much as I support the Death Penalty, I think it should only be used for general crimes when it is in response to the death of somebody.

Yes, rape and sexual assaults are horrible, but the victim continues to live. LWOP I do/would support, but not capitol punishment for these crimes.

I also would not throw them in GenPop as some here have endorsed. That would be in essence passing the execution off onto the other inmates.
 
When you say things like "the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet", you need to back that up with research.

Also, I don't support the death penalty in the United States as it isn't necessary to keep the public safe. Our justice system should not be concerned with taking revenge out on people.

I am not sure if it will deter others, but it certainly prevents the executed person from repeating the crime.
 
As much as I support the Death Penalty, I think it should only be used for general crimes when it is in response to the death of somebody.

Yes, rape and sexual assaults are horrible, but the victim continues to live. LWOP I do/would support, but not capitol punishment for these crimes.

I also would not throw them in GenPop as some here have endorsed. That would be in essence passing the execution off onto the other inmates.

hi oze ,

may these psychos be executed if they both rape and kill their victims?
 
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

Yes, the death penalty has had a dramatic effect on capital crimes like murder :roll:
 
hi oze ,

may these psychos be executed if they both rape and kill their victims?

Then they are executed for murder with special circumstance, not for rape.

Yes, the death penalty has had a dramatic effect on capital crimes like murder :roll:

Well, you have to agree that they never kill again.

One thing a lot of people fail to realize, is that a lot of murders occur inside of prison. Jeffrey Dahmer was murdered by somebody who was himself in jail for multiple murders. A lot of prisoners are locked up for non-violent crimes, or crimes of a much lesser nature. Is it really fair to lock them up with somebody who knows that they will never leave prison alive, so has nothing left to loose?

So yes, the death penalty does have a strong impact. Because people on death row are so isolated that murders there are almost unheard of.
 
Then they are executed for murder with special circumstance, not for rape.



Well, you have to agree that they never kill again.

One thing a lot of people fail to realize, is that a lot of murders occur inside of prison. Jeffrey Dahmer was murdered by somebody who was himself in jail for multiple murders. A lot of prisoners are locked up for non-violent crimes, or crimes of a much lesser nature. Is it really fair to lock them up with somebody who knows that they will never leave prison alive, so has nothing left to loose?

So yes, the death penalty does have a strong impact. Because people on death row are so isolated that murders there are almost unheard of.

oze

pedophilic perverts who rape many children ?
 
oze

pedophilic perverts who rape many children ?

I do not care. They have not killed anybody, so the number does not matter to me. Let them get a 99 year consecutive sentence for each child and I am fine with that however.
 
I do not care. They have not killed anybody, so the number does not matter to me. Let them get a 99 year consecutive sentence for each child and I am fine with that however.

they killed . many of those children will never forget it.....
 
they killed . many of those children will never forget it.....

Then they are charged with murder, not child sexual assault.

Notice, I clearly said "have not killed anybody"! If they raped somebody then killed them, then they are charged with murder, the sexual assault is just an extra charge to make it a special circumstance. But they are not tried and convicted of the rape. They are charged and convicted of the murder.
 
they killed . many of those children will never forget it.....

There is a lot of effects caused by this degree of trauma. But death isn't one of them. And in general, the death penalty is barbaric, consumes innocent life, expensive, and unnecessary in today's civilized society. So I see very little reason to have it in the first place
 
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

I approve. I also approve of the death penalty for theft, when the theft totals up to more than the average lifetime GDP per capita in that society. Basically, if you steal more than the average person earns in a lifetime, you should die. I'd imagine the economy would be much less corrupted by manipulators and crooks if this was the law of the land.
 
It being housed and provided for in a low quality hotel with free room service and medical care for life. Why should a poor person bother buying lottery tickets when they can automatically win a lifetime benefits lottery by raping some children?

Prison is not like a stay at a hotel. A lot of prisons now only allow a prisoner out of his/her cell for one hour a day. Sure, there are some prisons that are more lax on their rules, but that's why I said that I would also like to see prisons be tougher on the inmates.
 
I'm speaking metaphorically about fates worse than death, governments can destroy ones life's work ones families, or ones spiritual status.

Okay, but that still doesn't justify the state-sponsored murder, or more accurately tax-payer sponsored.
 
Just tattoo CM for child molesters and RP for rapists on their foreheads and then turn them loose in general pop. Let "nature" take it's course.
 
Call it revenge or whatever you want but I don't see anything wrong with that statement. I remember that case. The two men were pure evil and no longer members of the human race. F em.

with a crowbar
 
I approve. I also approve of the death penalty for theft, when the theft totals up to more than the average lifetime GDP per capita in that society. Basically, if you steal more than the average person earns in a lifetime, you should die. I'd imagine the economy would be much less corrupted by manipulators and crooks if this was the law of the land.

anytime you make a crime less than murder a death penalty offense, you give the perpetrator absolutely no reason NOT to kill his victim
 
anytime you make a crime less than murder a death penalty offense, you give the perpetrator absolutely no reason NOT to kill his victim

If everyone that committed murder automatically received the death penalty, you'd be correct. The vast majority of murderers don't, even in death penalty states.

If what you say is true, then why does every person that commits murder in Texas not try to kill the cops that arrest them as well? My guess is that killing someone is an automatic 20-to-life, while killing the cops that are trying to arrest you because you killed someone is pretty much an automatic appointment with the needle (usually with cuts to the front of the line).
 
If everyone that committed murder automatically received the death penalty, you'd be correct. The vast majority of murderers don't, even in death penalty states.

If what you say is true, then why does every person that commits murder in Texas not try to kill the cops that arrest them as well? My guess is that killing someone is an automatic 20-to-life, while killing the cops that are trying to arrest you because you killed someone is pretty much an automatic appointment with the needle.

that doesn't refute my point ask any prosecutor who handles DP cases. or read the ONION FIELD

its handles this issue
 
that doesn't refute my point ask any prosecutor who handles DP cases. or read the ONION FIELD

its handles this issue

I find your assertion that every prosecutor that's ever handled a death penalty case agrees with your assertion a bit dubious, but let's say for the sake of argument that you're correct. I'll even cede the point that the death penalty adds an extra incentive for murder to eliminate witnesses.

So in your opinion, is it more likely that all rapists would continue to rape, and simply add murder in addition to their crimes to avoid being charged with rape, or that people would avoid being charged with rape by not committing rape in the first place? I would think that there would be a mix of the two, but I'd be interested in your opinion as to which would be more prevalent.
 
I find your assertion that every prosecutor that's ever handled a death penalty case agrees with your assertion a bit dubious, but let's say for the sake of argument that you're correct. I'll even cede the point that the death penalty adds an extra incentive for murder to eliminate witnesses.

So in your opinion, is it more likely that all rapists would continue to rape, and simply add murder in addition to their crimes to avoid being charged with rape, or that people would avoid being charged with rape by not committing rape in the first place? I would think that there would be a mix of the two, but I'd be interested in your opinion as to which would be more prevalent.

The DP has been proven not to be a deterrent. Yes, I think that if someone is afraid they're going to get the death penalty for rape, then they will kill the victim AND any potential witnesses.

Ten points as to why the death penalty is ineffective and a waste of money.

NCADP - The National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty

1. Executions are carried out at staggering cost to taxpayers.

It costs far more to execute a person than to keep him or her in prison for life. A New Jersey Policy Perspectives report concluded that when the state had the death penalty, it cost New Jersey taxpayers $253 million since 1983, a figure that is over and above the costs that would have been incurred had the state utilized a sentence of life without parole instead of death. (New Jersey abolished capital punishment in December 2007).

"From a strictly financial perspective, it is hard to reach a conclusion other than this: New Jersey taxpayers over the last 23 years have paid more than a quarter billion dollars on a capital punishment system that has executed no one," the report concluded.

Michael Murphy, former Morris County, NJ prosecutor, remarked: "If you were to ask me how $11 million a year could best protect the people of New Jersey, I would tell you by giving the law enforcement community more resources. I'm not interested in hypothetical or abstractions; I want the tools for law enforcement to do their job, and $11 million can buy a lot of tools.

Learn More

2. Capital punishment does not deter crime.

Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime any more than long prison sentences. Moreover, states without the death penalty have much lower murder rates. The South accounts for 80% of U.S. executions, and has the highest regional murder rate.

Learn More

3. States are unable to prevent accidental executions of innocent people.

The wrongful execution of an innocent person is an injustice that can never be rectified. Since the reinstatement of the death penalty, at least 138 men and women have been released from death row nationally – some only minutes away from execution. Moreover, in the past two years, evidence has come to light that indicates that four men may have been wrongfully executed in recent years for crimes they did not commit - an error rate that is appalling and unacceptable when talking about life and death.

4. Race plays a role in determining who lives and who dies.

Since 1977, blacks and whites have been the victims of murders in almost equal numbers, yet 80% of the people executed in that period were convicted of murders involving white victims.

Learn More

5. The death penalty is applied at random.

Politics, quality of legal counsel, and the jurisdiction in which a crime is committed are more often the determining factors in a death penalty case than the facts of the crime itself. The death penalty is a lethal lottery: of the 22,000 homicides committed every year, approximately 150 people are sentenced to death.

6. Capital punishment goes against almost every religion.

Although isolated passages of religious scripture have been quoted in support of the death penalty, almost all religious groups in the United States regard executions as immoral.

7. The U.S. is keeping company with notorious human rights abusers.

The vast majority of countries in Western Europe, North America and South America — more than 128 nations worldwide — have abandoned capital punishment in law or in practice. Year after year, only three countries execute more prisoners than the United States – China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

8. Millions of dollars could be diverted to helping the families of murder victims.

Many family members who have lost love ones to murder feel that the death penalty will not heal their wounds nor end their pain, and the extended process prior to executions can prolong the agony experienced by the family. Funds now being used for the costly process of executions could be used to help families put their lives back together through counseling, restitution, crime victim hotlines, and other services addressing their needs.

9. Bad lawyers are a persistent problem.

Perhaps the most important factor in determining whether a defendant will receive the death penalty is the quality of the representation he or she is provided. Almost all defendants in capital cases cannot afford their own attorneys. In many cases, the appointed attorneys are overworked, underpaid, or lacking the trial experience required for death penalty cases. There have even been instances in which lawyers appointed to a death case were so inexperienced that they were completely unprepared for the sentencing phase of the trial. Other appointed attorneys have slept through parts of the trial, or arrived at the court under the influence of alcohol.

10. Life without parole is a sensible alternative to the death penalty

Almost every state in the U.S. now has life in prison without parole. Unlike decades ago, a sentence of life without parole generally means exactly what it says – convicts locked away in prison until they die. Unlike the death penalty, a sentence of life in prison without parole allows mistakes to be corrected or new evidence to come to light.
 
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The DP has been proven not to be a deterrent. Yes, I think that if someone is afraid they're going to get the death penalty for rape, then they will kill the victim AND any potential witnesses.

that's been my experience and the experience of several top DP prosecutors I know. Hamilton County Ohio (Joe Deters, before him MIke Allen) are legendary for getting DP convictions
 
The DP has been proven not to be a deterrent. Yes, I think that if someone is afraid they're going to get the death penalty for rape, then they will kill the victim AND any potential witnesses.

Ten points as to why the death penalty is ineffective and a waste of money.

NCADP - The National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty

1. Executions are carried out at staggering cost to taxpayers.

It costs far more to execute a person than to keep him or her in prison for life. A New Jersey Policy Perspectives report concluded that when the state had the death penalty, it cost New Jersey taxpayers $253 million since 1983, a figure that is over and above the costs that would have been incurred had the state utilized a sentence of life without parole instead of death. (New Jersey abolished capital punishment in December 2007).

"From a strictly financial perspective, it is hard to reach a conclusion other than this: New Jersey taxpayers over the last 23 years have paid more than a quarter billion dollars on a capital punishment system that has executed no one," the report concluded.

Michael Murphy, former Morris County, NJ prosecutor, remarked: "If you were to ask me how $11 million a year could best protect the people of New Jersey, I would tell you by giving the law enforcement community more resources. I'm not interested in hypothetical or abstractions; I want the tools for law enforcement to do their job, and $11 million can buy a lot of tools.

Learn More

2. Capital punishment does not deter crime.

Scientific studies have consistently failed to demonstrate that executions deter people from committing crime any more than long prison sentences. Moreover, states without the death penalty have much lower murder rates. The South accounts for 80% of U.S. executions, and has the highest regional murder rate.

Learn More

3. States are unable to prevent accidental executions of innocent people.

The wrongful execution of an innocent person is an injustice that can never be rectified. Since the reinstatement of the death penalty, at least 138 men and women have been released from death row nationally – some only minutes away from execution. Moreover, in the past two years, evidence has come to light that indicates that four men may have been wrongfully executed in recent years for crimes they did not commit - an error rate that is appalling and unacceptable when talking about life and death.

4. Race plays a role in determining who lives and who dies.

Since 1977, blacks and whites have been the victims of murders in almost equal numbers, yet 80% of the people executed in that period were convicted of murders involving white victims.

Learn More

5. The death penalty is applied at random.

Politics, quality of legal counsel, and the jurisdiction in which a crime is committed are more often the determining factors in a death penalty case than the facts of the crime itself. The death penalty is a lethal lottery: of the 22,000 homicides committed every year, approximately 150 people are sentenced to death.

6. Capital punishment goes against almost every religion.

Although isolated passages of religious scripture have been quoted in support of the death penalty, almost all religious groups in the United States regard executions as immoral.

7. The U.S. is keeping company with notorious human rights abusers.

The vast majority of countries in Western Europe, North America and South America — more than 128 nations worldwide — have abandoned capital punishment in law or in practice. Year after year, only three countries execute more prisoners than the United States – China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

8. Millions of dollars could be diverted to helping the families of murder victims.

Many family members who have lost love ones to murder feel that the death penalty will not heal their wounds nor end their pain, and the extended process prior to executions can prolong the agony experienced by the family. Funds now being used for the costly process of executions could be used to help families put their lives back together through counseling, restitution, crime victim hotlines, and other services addressing their needs.

9. Bad lawyers are a persistent problem.

Perhaps the most important factor in determining whether a defendant will receive the death penalty is the quality of the representation he or she is provided. Almost all defendants in capital cases cannot afford their own attorneys. In many cases, the appointed attorneys are overworked, underpaid, or lacking the trial experience required for death penalty cases. There have even been instances in which lawyers appointed to a death case were so inexperienced that they were completely unprepared for the sentencing phase of the trial. Other appointed attorneys have slept through parts of the trial, or arrived at the court under the influence of alcohol.

10. Life without parole is a sensible alternative to the death penalty

Almost every state in the U.S. now has life in prison without parole. Unlike decades ago, a sentence of life without parole generally means exactly what it says – convicts locked away in prison until they die. Unlike the death penalty, a sentence of life in prison without parole allows mistakes to be corrected or new evidence to come to light.

The death penalty isn't meant to be a deterrent. It's meant to eliminate the problem by preventing people from damaging society when they prove to be completely incompatible with it. Life in prison w/o parole ends a person's participation in society, and places them in a state of subhuman status and hopelessness for the rest of their lives, ensuring that they will be a perpetual drain on society while that society provides for their sustenance, all for people who are capable of contributing nothing, before or after they committed their crimes. The Death penalty removes them from society by simply ending their life.

Which is more cruel to the criminal? Which is more beneficial to society?
 
Because otherwise, we are siding with predatory rapists. We might think the molester deserves it; but we don't want to side with predatory rapists under any circumstances.
rapeists should be tossed into a homo section of the prison and the guards should put a blind eye to homos rapeing them....they need to be taught what it's like...

personnaly i think if you rape women....the sentence should be filthy homeless homos having their way with you for a few months for free.
 
The death penalty isn't meant to be a deterrent. It's meant to eliminate the problem by preventing people from damaging society when they prove to be completely incompatible with it. Life in prison w/o parole ends a person's participation in society, and places them in a state of subhuman status and hopelessness for the rest of their lives, ensuring that they will be a perpetual drain on society while that society provides for their sustenance, all for people who are capable of contributing nothing, before or after they committed their crimes. The Death penalty removes them from society by simply ending their life.

Which is more cruel to the criminal? Which is more beneficial to society?

Please, we are one of the only countries left that still performs this barbaric practice. We have the shame of being among the likes of Afghanistan and Iran and other such countries that also give themselves the power to take people's lives, even some innocent ones.
 
rapeists should be tossed into a homo section of the prison and the guards should put a blind eye to homos rapeing them....they need to be taught what it's like...

It's sad how no one ever realizes innocent people get put in prison all the time and yes that includes people found guilty of rape.
 
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