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Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

Of course, I oppose this for reasons I've explained numerous times on this forum. I agree child molesters need to be given long prison sentences and maybe even put away for life depending on a number of factors. But rapists of adult women should not receive similar sentences. By arguing for the death penalty for both, you're basically saying that a crime against a woman is as heinous as a crime against a child, and I simply don't believe this. The reason why rape was punished severely, historically, is that it damaged the household of the rape victim. That is now irrelevant, since women are not expected to be married as virgins and further, marriages have less monetary value to families anyway.

All women have left is 'it makes me feel bad,' and I'm not buying that song and dance. In addition, I find it hypocritical that women expect special treatment in this respect, yet they are supposed to be equal in others. If they are equal to men in all intellectual and emotional respects, then I wish to treat them as such. I'm not interested in hearing about how they are in a sense the sort of emotionally frail creatures we thought they were back when we had primitive, bigoted, and chauvinistic views. Let them be men, I say. If they don't like it, they can always return to the old ways.

In conclusion, rape is to me nothing more than simple assault at this point in our development. It happens to be less physically damaging than assault, in most cases, and hence it should be a relatively minor offense, unless it is exacerbated by other abusive behaviors. Not only would I not put rapists to death, but I would consider the crime equivalent to misdemeanor assault in a large percentage of cases.

Well, bend over and then let me know how you feel when we're done. :doh
 
Not that I don't think they might deserve death, but I just think that the state should NEVER be allowed to kill it's citizens.

As long as the judicial system is honest and transparent, who cares? Would it make you feel better if they let people have a lottery for who pulls the trigger? That way between a jury and the executioner it's all citizens.
 
As long as the judicial system is honest and transparent, who cares? Would it make you feel better if they let people have a lottery for who pulls the trigger? That way between a jury and the executioner it's all citizens.

I care. I don't want the government to have the power to kill ANY of it's citizens.
 
When someone leaves America to go to another country and fight Americans they lose their citizenship. Same thing when you commit a horrific crime like rape or act on your pedophilia desires, you forfeit your humanity and become an animal.

animals are not like those monsters ,sawyer

these perverts are less valuable than any creature
 
I care. I don't want the government to have the power to kill ANY of it's citizens.

You can not remove a governments power to go genocidal if they want. But that has nothing to do with punishing those who have negative value in society through their criminal behavior.

As the number of these people continues to rise, it become more and more important to get rid of them...
 
You can not remove a governments power to go genocidal if they want. But that has nothing to do with punishing those who have negative value in society through their criminal behavior.

As the number of these people continues to rise, it become more and more important to get rid of them...

I think that locking them away from society serves that purpose. We also have to take into consideration individuals who have been falsely accused or mistakenly identified. That is a complete miscarriage of justice and does nothing but cheapen our entire justice system.

At least if we don't kill them, we can release them. If you kill innocents, you have their blood on your hands IMO. It's not worth it IMO, when these people can be locked away.

However, I am also for life meaning LIFE - the rest of your natural life.
 
I think that locking them away from society serves that purpose.

There are prison guards who are at risk by these people, so to me, no it does not serve the same purpose.
 
There are prison guards who are at risk by these people, so to me, no it does not serve the same purpose.

That might be true, and I hate when I hear of those instances, but they agree to take that risk when they take that job.

I believe most of the time when prison guards die in riots and such, it is the result of uprisings in the general population and not those on death row though, so I think that is kind of irrelevant to the type of crime perpetrated. Someone in for armed robbery could be the one who kills the guard.
 
But your desire is these people are in the general population, as there would be no 'death row' if there is no death sentence.
 
But your desire is these people are in the general population, as there would be no 'death row' if there is no death sentence.

Do you realize how arbitrarily the DP is applied? There already are brutal murderers in general population, and not everyone on death row should necessarily be there.
 
First off, it's not called the "death deterrent" for a reason. It's a penalty, stop pretending otherwise. Secondly, the only reason the death penalty is so expensive is we allow people to file endless appeals on the taxpayer's dime. If you've been found guilty twice (once in the initial trial and once in the mandatory appeal), you shouldn't be able to file any more appeals unless you have evidence that you are factually innocent of the crime or you have evidence of some judicial misdoing during your trial. Appealing the death penalty just because you don't want to die is not a valid appeal. Do that, carry out the sentence in no more than 2 years and the death penalty is positively cheap.

Oh, even better! Let's make it statistically likely that more innocent people end up executed. Thanks for solving that silly "cost" problem, Cephus.
 
Do you realize how arbitrarily the DP is applied? There already are brutal murderers in general population, and not everyone on death row should necessarily be there.

Yes, better not be a black person when the question of death penalty comes up.
 
Oh, even better! Let's make it statistically likely that more innocent people end up executed. Thanks for solving that silly "cost" problem, Cephus.

If you can't prove your innocence in two trials, what are the odds more tax payer funded defenders are going to change things?
 
Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

I really dont think rapist should get the death penalty. Especially in a society where women have been known to make false reports to try and ruin a mans reputation. Who knows how many men are behind bars who have been convicted of false rape charges.
 
Castration sounds better than death to me.
 
I really dont think rapist should get the death penalty. Especially in a society where women have been known to make false reports to try and ruin a mans reputation. Who knows how many men are behind bars who have been convicted of false rape charges.

Rape would have to be broken down into degrees like murder is. First degree rape where a woman is jogging one minute and being raped in the bushes the next minute or when a woman is sleeping in her bed and someone breaks in and rapes her at knife point would be first degree aggravated rape and be punishable by death.
 
You do realize that accusations of rape and pedophilia are ROUTINELY used by women to try to win custody in vicious custody battles? Unless there was concrete absolute proof I would be against. He said she said don't cut it. I have no problem terminating psychological basket cases but I do have a problem with frying innocent people, or those convicted on marginal evidence. You want to fry em that's fine, but as far as I am concerned you better have rock solid INDISPUTABLE evidence of guilt, without which you can fugetaboutit.

I for one do favor the death penalty but ONLY in cases in which the jury thinks it was done beyond a shadow of doubt.
 
I personally don't support it; but if I did, I think only those convicted under DNA evidence should be killed.

Don't some DP states already have such a provision, or am I mistaken?
 
I care. I don't want the government to have the power to kill ANY of it's citizens.

Just as there are fates worse than death, there are things that the government can do to its citizens worse than execution.
 
I really dont think rapist should get the death penalty. Especially in a society where women have been known to make false reports to try and ruin a mans reputation. Who knows how many men are behind bars who have been convicted of false rape charges.

Or for mistaken/misidentification charges. Which is why it should apply where there can be no mistake of the person doing the deed.
 
As I posted I believe that the death penalty should apply to convictions that the jury is convinced the accused is guilty is beyond of the shadow of a doubt . That being said I beileve that a point system may also be a good way to apply the death penanty with serious crimes getting more points and lesser violent crimes lesser points and if they get sufficient points they can be executed.
 
Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

Why stop there? The incidents of every crime would plummet if we just attached the death penalty to them!
 
I was kidnapped and molested, as a child, and though it DID make a difference in my life,

I know now that God didn't give me more than I could handle.

Even back then, I wouldn't have desired DEATH for the man;
he, himself, was damaged and deluded.

And as liberal as this sounds, I'd want HIM to have access to loving/caring help and support,
rather than throwing him into another hell on earth.
 
Just as there are fates worse than death, there are things that the government can do to its citizens worse than execution.

Like what? And how would you know? Have YOU ever been dead before? I don't think you can measure that.
 
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