Death penalty for rapist and pedophiles?

Cyrylek said:

They would not budge an inch. Deterrence does not work on pathological crimes.

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Then at the very least, we clear them from the gene pool. I'm fine with that.

Cyrylek said:

So that they are physically separated from any potential victims.

And we do not become murderers.

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Don't worry, we don't decome murderers when we exicute for capitol ofences.

Justice is revenge dressed in a nice suit!

I do not understand the mentality of someone who advocates life in prison over execution of a criminal. To sentence a person to loss of freedom, to the possibility of being beaten on a regular basis and to the possibility of being raped on a regular basis, is barbaric. To wish to continue to torture a person for life, because that is what it is, is indeed a barbaric mentality. That is cruel punishment. Execution is quick, permanent and solves the problem of the offender ever offending either inside prison or out of it, again.
If I was sentenced for an horrific crime I committed, then I would demand the death penalty. I would rather die a quick death than suffer in prison for the rest of my life. I don't understand why anyone would seek to hold on to life in that situation.

sawyerloggingon said:

Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

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and you just condemn almost every victim of rape to death since the rapist has absolutely no reason to keep his victim(s) alive

sawyerloggingon said:

Pedophiles don't get better and they have devastated a child's life not to mention devastating the entire family. Rapist have violated a womans rights in the most despicable fashion possible and scarred her for life. The impact of these crimes on children, their parents and women are so grievous that IMO the perpetrates should get the death penalty. Not only would this be justice but the incidents of rape and child molesting-rape would plummet.

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I absolutely do not support the death penalty for anything short of premeditated murder, which has been proven beyond any trace of doubt. Pedophiles and child rapists are disgusting, but if they don't kill the child, they do not deserve the death penalty. That being said, if it was me, and my child or grandchild, and I caught him in the act, I would shoot on sight. As a juror, though, and an objective, reasonable, non-involved party to the crime, I can't support the death penalty, because justice implies equal measure.

LadyMoonlight said:

Justice is revenge dressed in a nice suit!

I do not understand the mentality of someone who advocates life in prison over execution of a criminal. To sentence a person to loss of freedom, to the possibility of being beaten on a regular basis and to the possibility of being raped on a regular basis, is barbaric. To wish to continue to torture a person for life, because that is what it is, is indeed a barbaric mentality. That is cruel punishment. Execution is quick, permanent and solves the problem of the offender ever offending either inside prison or out of it, again.
If I was sentenced for an horrific crime I committed, then I would demand the death penalty. I would rather die a quick death than suffer in prison for the rest of my life. I don't understand why anyone would seek to hold on to life in that situation.

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It would seem to me then that we need to make prisons safer for prisoners to spend their lives. I fully support working towards those ends. I do not however support the idea that state has a license to kill us.

Henrin said:

It would seem to me then that we need to make prisons safer for prisoners to spend their lives. I fully support working towards those ends. I do not however support the idea that state has a license to kill us.

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A Former US Attorney (now Judge) I know once said to me

I think some people need frying but I don't like having a government with the power to fry people

TurtleDude said:

A Former US Attorney (now Judge) I know once said to me

I think some people need frying but I don't like having a government with the power to fry people

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Exactly how I feel about it. Some people need wiped from the planet but I don't find it desirable to give the government such authority.

Henrin said:

Exactly how I feel about it. Some people need wiped from the planet but I don't find it desirable to give the government such authority.

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I think in some cases-like the two who raped and murdered a woman, raped and burned her daughters to death and there was absolutely no doubt of their guilt (CT), the surviving husband/father should be given three hours, a blowtorch, crowbar and a complete pardon for all that transpires in that 3 hours

Henrin said:

TurtleDude said:

A Former US Attorney (now Judge) I know once said to me

I think some people need frying but I don't like having a government with the power to fry people

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Exactly how I feel about it. Some people need wiped from the planet but I don't find it desirable to give the government such authority.

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Count me in with this, also.

TurtleDude said:

A Former US Attorney (now Judge) I know once said to me

I think some people need frying but I don't like having a government with the power to fry people

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A sutable compromise, then, is to make sure every potential victim can kill an attacker in the act.

Jerry said:

A sutable compromise, then, is to make sure every potential victim can kill an attacker in the act.

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I agree, I have no problems with those feloniously attacked killing the attacker, In fact I believe in making civil or criminal courts inaccessible for criminals who have the tables turned on them as long as the retaliation is reasonably connected to the attack

example John The pervert tries to rape little 9 year old Suzie. Suzie's Green Beret older brother catches John the Pervert in the act and spends the next hour breaking every bone in the pervert's body

no legal ramifications for Sgt Brother


John the Pervert rapes little Suzy and the good Sgt sees the rapist 5 years later after he gets out for "good behavior" from the state pen. Then it would be improper for big brother to "Mozambique" the perv.

TurtleDude said:

I think in some cases-like the two who raped and murdered a woman, raped and burned her daughters to death and there was absolutely no doubt of their guilt (CT), the surviving husband/father should be given three hours, a blowtorch, crowbar and a complete pardon for all that transpires in that 3 hours

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Call it revenge or whatever you want but I don't see anything wrong with that statement. I remember that case. The two men were pure evil and no longer members of the human race. F em.

Ikari said:

I am against the death penalty in general and would not endorse it here.

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Should they also receive a cash reward? Or just rewarded with never have to work another day in their life and be entirely provided for - for free - in everyway - for the rest of their lives?

Crosscheck said:

Call it revenge or whatever you want but I don't see anything wrong with that statement. I remember that case. The two men were pure evil and no longer members of the human race. F em.

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I clicked like, but actually I oppose torturous justice - certainly on a govermental level. I would approve of him pulling the level on the gallows, throwing the switch on the electric chair, pushing the button that injected poison, declaring "FIRE!" for a firing squad, or the left that dropped the bag for being gassed to death.

On the otherhand, if the father, mother or anyone other relative found that man - then I would go not-guilty-by-reason of temporary sanity if that relative used a blow torch and crowbar.


In my opinion, a "life sentence without parole' is grotesquelyl immoral, is rewarding the crime and preventing justice and legitimate retribution.

If you are ok with mob "justice", just be aware that you won't be able to stop the mob once it's lose..................

joko104 said:

I clicked like, but actually I oppose torturous justice - certainly on a govermental level. I would approve of him pulling the level on the gallows, throwing the switch on the electric chair, pushing the button that injected poison, declaring "FIRE!" for a firing squad, or the left that dropped the bag for being gassed to death.

On the otherhand, if the father, mother or anyone other relative found that man - then I would go not-guilty-by-reason of temporary sanity if that relative used a blow torch and crowbar.


In my opinion, a "life sentence without parole' is grotesquelyl immoral, is rewarding the crime and preventing justice and legitimate retribution.

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We will never see the day that the court provides the victim's relative a certain amount of time in a locked room with a criminal.

But if the victim's family caught the perp in the act of such a horrendous crime then by all means if he is able to have the upperhand then he should unleash hell on the criminal. If I lost my wife and two daughters were raped and burned to death then I really care less what the court decided on my life as my life would already be over.

Jerry said:

Don't worry, we don't decome murderers when we exicute for capitol ofences.

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Sure we do, if we sanction killing of a neutralized, locked-up criminal - and an occasional wrongfully accused.

LadyMoonlight said:

I do not understand the mentality of someone who advocates life in prison over execution of a criminal.

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OK, if it needs an elaboration.

1. The authority to end a human life (outside of immediate defensive measures) sacralizes the State and creates a huge moral hazard.

2. Every system of justice works with errors: with death penalty on the books, the cost of these unavoidable errors becomes impermissible.

3. The actual cost of going through all the motions leading to an execution is much higher than keeping the criminal in prison for life.

4. When death penalty is on the books, there's always temptation and pressure to expand it beyond sentences for murder; we already have a federal law allowing death penalty for "drug kingpins" who did not kill anyone. This is a slippery slope to Hell.

5. I don't believe that death penalty is an efficient deterrent. Or rather, it is, but in the cases unlikely to result in capital punishment. Most murders are committed by youths living their violent lives without any thought of consequences, or by maniacs, or in a fit of fury.

6. Death penalty is based on the concept of justice I find reprehensible: revenge is not justice. Nobody can understand another person's mind closely enough to know what this person actually "deserves". The function of justice ought to be protective, not retaliatory. Someone who had committed a murder had proven that he is dangerous to other people, and he should be locked up for good. But killing an apprehended, neutralized criminal serves no real purpose other than satisfying the darkest of our natural urges.

The list can be continued....

Cyrylek said:

Sure we do, if we sanction killing of a neutralized, locked-up criminal - and an occasional wrongfully accused.

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Nope, not at all.

Jerry said:

Nope, not at all.

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If you say so.

You feel that someone does not deserve to live? Fine. Challenge him. Swords out, a duel, as it was supposed to be for some 99% of human history! No? Hiding behind the broad back of the dumb, clumsy State golem is more to your liking?

Feels good, to risk nothing and be all righteous about it, eh?

Cyrylek said:

Also child molesters do not tend to fare well among the general prison population. So, this is not about being soft-hearted, or something.

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Just make sure they have to go in genpop...

The death penalty must be abolished. The State hasn't the moral authority.

ChezC3 said:

The death penalty must be abolished. The State hasn't the moral authority.

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So they should have the moral authority to put someone in a cell for the rest of their life and stick the bill to taxpayers instead of just putting an end to the problem?

Mathematician said:

So they should have the moral authority to put someone in a cell for the rest of their life and stick the bill to taxpayers instead of just putting an end to the problem?

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Well, truth be told I kinda like the parts of the world which require the family of the prisoner to foot the bill. I also don't believe that any drug offenders should be in prison nor do I find prison suitable for a whole host of "crimes".