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Who Matters In The USA? The People, or the Government, or the Corporations?

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I have always had the political belief that the people own the Government, not that the Government owns the people.

I have always had the political belief that the people own and run a business. The business doesn't own the people.

A Libertarian-Right told me tonight; "America has the highest rate of black hair brown eye people in the world. What if they decided to place their laws upon us?" (He immediately backtracked and said it wasn't racist, but confirmed it was a good point)

So the question is (for anyone who actually read this far down in a thread);

What group matters the most to you in the USA?;
A) The People
B)The Government
C)The Corporations
 
The people because without any people there would be no government.
 
I have always had the political belief that the people own the Government, not that the Government owns the people.

I have always had the political belief that the people own and run a business. The business doesn't own the people.

A Libertarian-Right told me tonight; "America has the highest rate of black hair brown eye people in the world. What if they decided to place their laws upon us?" (He immediately backtracked and said it wasn't racist, but confirmed it was a good point)

So the question is (for anyone who actually read this far down in a thread);

What group matters the most to you in the USA?;
A) The People
B)The Government
C)The Corporations

The government without a doubt is the most important actor in the United States. They are controlled by some corporations anyways, but without the government this relationship wouldn't be able to exist. The people are pretty much irrelevant, believing whatever their lying government tells them. They are the least intelligent, least informed, and least organized of the 3 groups. You might say that they are pretty much irrelevant.
 
The people because without any people there would be no government.

Not true. The government has plans to evacuate Congress, the President, and his cabinet in the case of annihilation such as nuclear war. There are no such plans to evacuate the people. They are unimportant, and always have been.
 
The Corporations in collusion with the Government are the Masters.

The "People" are only important because they must consume what the Corporations produce. However, that importance is collective and rarely applies to an individual.
 
Not true. The government has plans to evacuate Congress, the President, and his cabinet in the case of annihilation such as nuclear war. There are no such plans to evacuate the people. They are unimportant, and always have been.

Without no people they would have no one to govern and gain legitimacy from.
 
Without no people they would have no one to govern and gain legitimacy from.

Well all governments are not legitimate, but I believe the original question is asking who is most important and that is the government by far. The people are definitely the least important of these 3 groups.
 
The People SHOULD matter most but it doesn't seem to be the case.

I am big fan of JFK. But as popular as his statement "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" is, I tend to disagree with it if the definition of "country" being used includes the government.
 
Well all governments are not legitimate,
Certainly so they are. Most governments are seen as legitimate and others not so much.

but I believe the original question is asking who is most important and that is the government by far. The people are definitely the least important of these 3 groups.
I would disagree. Talking in a "nuclear war" speech its understandable that the government is taken to safety ASAP so basic functions of government can continue, but in everyday terms the people are way more important.
 
Certainly so they are. Most governments are seen as legitimate and others not so much.

Well in my view all governments are illegitimate, regardless of how they are "seen" by uninfomred subjects.


I would disagree. Talking in a "nuclear war" speech its understandable that the government is taken to safety ASAP so basic functions of government can continue, but in everyday terms the people are way more important.

Why is it important for the government to continue? Should we all rest assured knowing the president and his cabinet are safe?

I remember when there was a time I used to think like that. I was about 8 and that movie Independence Day came out.

If the people are important it would seem the government would be busier constructing blast shelters for the people rather than for themselves.
 
Well in my view all governments are illegitimate, regardless of how they are "seen" by uninfomred subjects.
Well then we have to agree to disagree. But in reality our gov is legitimate.



Why is it important for the government to continue? Should we all rest assured knowing the president and his cabinet are safe?
Because the people cannot handle anarchy, especially in a time of disaster.
 
I have always had the political belief that the people own the Government, not that the Government owns the people.

I have always had the political belief that the people own and run a business. The business doesn't own the people.

A Libertarian-Right told me tonight; "America has the highest rate of black hair brown eye people in the world. What if they decided to place their laws upon us?" (He immediately backtracked and said it wasn't racist, but confirmed it was a good point)

So the question is (for anyone who actually read this far down in a thread);

What group matters the most to you in the USA?;
A) The People
B)The Government
C)The Corporations

The people.

More than that, while the people can theoretically replace the government (choice A corporate toad versus choice B corporate toad), the people should have that power with corporations. Most people are unaware that corporate charters are granted by the people, and originally, had to serve some public interest and could have its corporate charter revoked if it did not or if it violated any laws. It sounds alien today as we are all but owned by corporations, but the Founders saw corporations as accumulated wealth that would rob people of their property, their liberty, and their government. Smart guys.

Too bad states began a race to the bottom, promising less and less rules on corporations if they would incorporate in their states. Delaware won this race to the bottom long ago making sure corporations knew that they could be virtually eternal if they incorporated in Delaware with no risk of losing their charter no matter what they did.

Corporations are not people, they exist at our pleasure. Or should.

Imagine capitalism with an actual incentive to serve shareholder profits and the public good, with a death penalty (revoked charter) for breaking the law.
 
Well then we have to agree to disagree. But in reality our gov is legitimate.




Because the people cannot handle anarchy, especially in a time of disaster.

We could handle it, but it would suck, and then we would regroup and start the process all over again, likely becoming exactly what we were, and then doing it again. America has been fortunate in our balance, but I think we have lost balance and unless we change the rules about who can get elected and who they have to bow to have that privilege, we are going to keep tilting until we fall over.
 
The government without a doubt is the most important actor in the United States.

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The government and corporations are in bed together. We have a pseudo form of Fascism going on in this country. The people's role has dropped significantly. "We the People" has changed to "We the Corporate Politicians."

And to whoever said people couldn't handle anarchy in disaster...wrong...I found that to be the case in April of 2011 when tornadoes devastated my state of Alabama. By the time FEMA came down; communities had already cleaned up much of the mess and were working together. Neighbors helped each other...people who didn't know one another helped out and came together. It was the strongest sense of human compassion I had ever seen. People who might have been arguing politics the day before were now helping each other rebuild. It was a hell of a site to see and no government in sight.
 
I have always had the political belief that the people own the Government, not that the Government owns the people.

I have always had the political belief that the people own and run a business. The business doesn't own the people.

A Libertarian-Right told me tonight; "America has the highest rate of black hair brown eye people in the world. What if they decided to place their laws upon us?" (He immediately backtracked and said it wasn't racist, but confirmed it was a good point)

So the question is (for anyone who actually read this far down in a thread);

What group matters the most to you in the USA?;
A) The People
B)The Government
C)The Corporations

Corporations own the government. Corporations are people. Ergo, the people own the government.
 
Corporations own the government. Corporations are people. Ergo, the people own the government.

Corporations and Government are in bed together...they are basically the same now.

Corporations are not people...they are businesses. People run them, but corporations alone are not people.

Elitists own the government. Average people do not have a say one way or another.
 

I find this phenomenon amusing.

Traditionally, our govt is supposed to be the "referee", the playground monitor.

Now, the very entities that CHOOSE who we get to vote for have managed to convince the people that the govt THEY SELECTED is our enemy.

Which is EXACTLY what I would do if I didn't like being "refereed" and had the money to bring it about.

If money doesn't like the way the govt behaves, why don't they pick better people for us to vote for?

Because they want us mad at the govt, not them.
 
I have always had the political belief that the people own the Government, not that the Government owns the people.

I have always had the political belief that the people own and run a business. The business doesn't own the people.

A Libertarian-Right told me tonight; "America has the highest rate of black hair brown eye people in the world. What if they decided to place their laws upon us?" (He immediately backtracked and said it wasn't racist, but confirmed it was a good point)

So the question is (for anyone who actually read this far down in a thread);

What group matters the most to you in the USA?;
A) The People
B)The Government
C)The Corporations

Corporations are people, that's settled law. Often wealthy people from places like China and Saudi Arabia who have a constitutional right to exert more influence over American elections than less wealthy US citizens.
 
That's the fault of dumb Americans who refuse to inform themselves though.
 
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