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Do You Have a Right to a Job?

Do You Have a Right to a Job?

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We all have a "Creator". I would call that Objective.

Did you agree with the Patriot Act taking away some rights.

Government, in the form of the original Founding Fathers, gave gun-owners their original rights.
We're heading back to "gun deregulation".

I may not agree with Heidi Heitkamp's vote on registration.
Without this, she is taking away the rights to safety from people who even you say shouldn't have guns.

However, as a stage 4 cancer survivor, she supports Obamacare and North Dakota bought in since they are older and need it. She has given the best defense of it I have heard.

She and Tester are enigmas in the Dem party. good riddance to Baucus.
ernst barkmann said:
the creator is subjective to the reader, it simply means that the founders ,say rights come from a higher authority than government, and since government do not grants rights, they have no power to take them from you.
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ernst barkmann said:
no one has the power to force you hire someone, or make you perform an action unless you commit a crime.

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Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction
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If you can not compel someone to hire then there is no right to a job.
 
tech30528 said:
If you can not compel someone to hire then there is no right to a job.
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Or, to flip it around, if there is a right to a job, then that implies that people can be compelled (enslaved) to provide jobs.
 
NIMBY said:
We all have a "Creator". I would call that Objective.
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the founders left it up to the reader to decide.


NIMBY said:
Did you agree with the Patriot Act taking away some rights.
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yes, its unconstitutional

NIMBY said:
Government, in the form of the original Founding Fathers, gave gun-owners their original rights.
We're heading back to "gun deregulation".
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no the founders did not give any rights, the words grant or give do not appear in the BOR.

the BOR affirms the rights you were born with in nature, or the creator gave you, however you wish to see it.

the BOR are declaratory and restrictive clauses, OFF limits to government
 
Lord of Planar said:
When I was a kid, my mother used to take us to the farms to pick crops. I loved it because I had my own money in my pocket. now with child labor laws, parents can't do such things without having to pay a babysitter.

as for the farmers crying they can't find workers...

Supply and demand.

The workers will come if the farmers either pay more, or our family subsidy programs make people work part time to stay on assistance.
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It also taught kids work ethics and to value their money based upon what it took to earn it.

As to farmers paying more, I'm not for sure they can. Food prices are already to the point I don't buy very much fruit or "luxury foods". If things keep going, within the next few years, I am definitely going to have to switch to a depression era diet.
 
polgara said:
Good afternoon, Apacherat! :2wave:

You are to commended for your well thought out plan of action! Kudos... :lamo:
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I can't take credit for the well thought out plan Polgara, it was already done for me by millions of illegal aliens.

I just described the life of millions of illegal aliens.
 
FDR i think wanted an amendment along these lines, to which I say pffft. What about the right to win the mega millions, quit our job, and get unlimited room service?
 
X Factor said:
Surfing the net, I came across this.



The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
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No... it is ridiculous to me how there are people who honestly believe that others not only have a responsibility but AN OBLIGATION to support them, or just give them a job without any meritable reasons to provide such person a job. It is understandable if the person cannot be employed for reasons out of his/her control, e.g. economy or accident, etc. A person who has wasted his/her life, worked for nothing, and just lives off of the public tit, deserves the death through starvation that they have brought upon themselves.
 
Lightning said:
No... it is ridiculous to me how there are people who honestly believe that others not only have a responsibility but AN OBLIGATION to support them, or just give them a job without any meritable reasons to provide such person a job. It is understandable if the person cannot be employed for reasons out of his/her control, e.g. economy or accident, etc. A person who has wasted his/her life, worked for nothing, and just lives off of the public tit, deserves the death through starvation that they have brought upon themselves.
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There are frighteningly many who feel they have an ownership right to control other people's bodies and property.
 
ernst barkmann said:
if you guarantee a job to person A, then person B has to supply that job for the right to be fulfilled.

that means person B is mandated ( forced) to create and /or provide a job against his will.

when you make a good or service a right, then it has to be paid for or provide by another person, and that is stealing, and servitude.....unconstitutional on both counts.

stealing by government is unconstitutional, and putting people in servitude is unconstitutional.
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You think an employer is providing a good or service when he offers a job???

The true colors of (at least some) Libertarians are finally on display! :lamo
 
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X Factor said:
Surfing the net, I came across this.

The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
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I think everyone should be able to work for money if they want. However, I don't think businesses should be responsible for that.
 
MoSurveyor said:
You think an employer is providing a good or service when he offers a job???

The true colors of (at least some) Libertarians are finally on display! :lamo
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a job is a good, because it has value!.........people want it.

i am sorry you cant make good arguments in other threads against me, so your attempt to come into this one, and try to discredit me, has failed.
 
ernst barkmann said:
a job is a good, because it has value!.........people want it.
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Like I said, the true colors of the Libertarians are out! :lamo :lamo

People must be goods, then, which also doesn't surprise me coming from a Libertarian. I sure wouldn't mind having a couple of movie stars and I'm sure lots and lots of other people want them, too.



ernst barkmann said:
i am sorry you cant make good arguments in other threads against me, so your attempt to come into this one, and try to discredit me, has failed.
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I just haven't enough time to get back to that thread. Don't feel left out, I have about four others on hold as well. :shrug:

I'm sorry you feel like you've "won" something --- and for that you get another ... :lamo
 
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I can't believe that this is even a question.

No, nobody has a right to a job. To think otherwise is to be oppressive beyond measure.
 
MoSurveyor said:
You think an employer is providing a good or service when he offers a job???
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Those who consider a job to be something you're entitled to have provided to you do. Such as those referenced in the OP.

And while I disagree with ernst barkmann on many things, that's what he's saying. You're misunderstanding him, and you're trying to smear libertarians with the misunderstanding.
 
Not in the least. It's unfortunate that there is a limited amount of jobs available but no one can be guaranteed a job. That is a responsibility that should be left to the individual anyhow (besides some forms of assistance).
 
Gipper said:
I can't believe that this is even a question.

No, nobody has a right to a job. To think otherwise is to be oppressive beyond measure.
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To say one has a right to a job means that others have an obligation to employ. That is slavery (i.e. control of another person)
 
Federalist said:
To say one has a right to a job means that others have an obligation to employ. That is slavery (i.e. control of another person)
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Well, slavery is a form of oppression so on that front I agree with you. However, I'm guessing that since compensation exists in some form or fashion, it'd be closer to indentured servitude.

If we elect any more far-left liberals, we may get to the point where a government will attempt to give itself obligation to employ. I hope it doesn't get to that stage, since zero effective unemployment is a symptom of today's mutation of communism. I'd rather not live in a communist society.
 
ernst barkmann said:
what if you want to work, and there are no jobs, is someone force to make no for you?

what if you cant find one, is government duty now to find you one?

do you get to pick the type of job your want?

what if you want to work, but you suck at being a good employee, meaning your constantly late, dont work well with other people?

guarantee a job, does that mean if the private sector will not hire you government has too?

wanting a job, .....but being able to preform it property and get along with others and being responsible is another.
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Yes...if you want a job it should be provided. Whatever your talents be it a doctor or a ditch digger. If there's not enough jobs we have things we can find for you to do. It's a basic principle that if someone gives a best effort to work and be an employee they should have an employer.
 
iliveonramen said:
Yes...if you want a job it should be provided. Whatever your talents be it a doctor or a ditch digger. If there's not enough jobs we have things we can find for you to do. It's a basic principle that if someone gives a best effort to work and be an employee they should have an employer.
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Really? That's great. I insist that you let me do your taxes next tax season. You'll find my compensation scale a bit to your disliking, but tough luck for you. I have a right.
 
Gipper said:
Really? That's great. I insist that you let me do your taxes next tax season. You'll find my compensation scale a bit to your disliking, but tough luck for you. I have a right.
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As a private citizen I don't have to give you a job but if you want to work and can't find a job I'm sure we have roads that need repaving, a medical records system that needs modernizing, and various other tasks that provide both the public a benefit and can be used to gaurantee you a job.
 
iliveonramen said:
As a private citizen I don't have to give you a job but if you want to work and can't find a job I'm sure we have roads that need repaving, a medical records system that needs modernizing, and various other tasks that provide both the public a benefit and can be used to gaurantee you a job.
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Oh. So you think everyone has the right to a job, but you're immune to providing it. Gotcha.

I'll go shovel an inch of snow off the street outside for an hour. That'll be a thousand dollars. I hope they have direct deposit - I hate going to the bank.
 
Well, it depends on the context of the question. It's obviously not a constitutionally guaranteed right.

However, given that we have a social and economic contract, whose basic premise is that we're all better off by joining together, I think it's reasonable to that a right to a job is a genuine right.

The social contract prevents me from doing things which I would be naturally free to do, like murder other people and take their food and tools, to ensure my survival. The tradeoff is supposed to be that I give up such freedoms in order to enjoy greater prosperity and stability. When I don't have a job (I do have a job, but I'm using "I" figuratively), I've fulfilled my end, by not murdering and pillaging, but society hasn't fulfilled its end.

That's problematic, in my view.
 
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