Yes, but at least the Jews are intelligent enough to recognize the difference. A poem is a poem, a law is a law. A poem written by a king doesn't make it some sort of a law. And regardless, someone writing to god sayin, "YOU KNEW ME BEFORE I WAS BORN" isn't any form of a "law", its an opinion.
But a wise opinion, in my own opinion. King David was a very wise man, and his son Solomon was even wiser; except for when it came to his choice of women... I believe it to be wise to follow David's wise opinion that God knows you before you are "born" into the world. I believe it to be wise for all Christians and Jews to believe the same. But as for non-believers, it's up to them to decide what they believe; does life begin before or after birth?
Irrelevant....
The only "Christian beliefs" that I have spoken about around here are the "fundamentalist" beliefs. As only the major beliefs stay the same from one denomination to the other. And, I also implore you to explain how I "knocked down" King David. As I only stated that a poem isn't a law. Thats all.
Fundies are dangerous to any religion or ideaology. Look at Islam for proof of that.
I must've taken what you wrote out of context or I misunderstood you. If you say that you didn't "knock down David" then I believe you. I refuse to call you a liar on this issue without proof.
Than this makes you pro-choice.
Eh, I still think that I'm pro-life... but such a title carries little weight. I mean I eat meat; causing the end of a life. But anywho, the only titles that mean anything to me are that I'm Christian and I'm American. I could even go as far as saying that I'm a Conservative-Republican; but such a title carries little weight too, cuz even I sometimes leak from the "conservative mold". As I'm sure you sometimes leak from the "democrat mold". No mold fits us all, to each his own I guess... perhaps.
Well, by being pro-life you are in the position of demanding there be a law banning abortion. The "moral" issue of whether or not you believe abortion to be moral or not is not the debate. This is debate politics, not debate morals. The debate is about the political aspect, I.E. Should it be legal. I don't necessarily believe that abortions should be used for birth control, nor do I think people who continue to have abortions should not be required to get on birth control. However, I do not think that it is the government's business making a law on this issue, and thus it should be up to the people who "choose" the correct action based upon thier own morals/belief system/life situation.
You are right, the gov't should have NO right to make a law on this issue, either for or against abortion. Less gov't control would probably be appropriate in this situation. BUT, Jewish, Catholic and Protestant leaders (not politicians, but like the Pope and so on...) should "outlaw" abortion amongst it's followers. And of course I base this back on David's wise opinion. Now, if you take the Bible literally, as I do, then you know that David was in communications with God. Maybe God told David that He knew David before he was "born into the world". It is said that God "sculpts" us in the womb or whatever. (I hope I'm explaining this clear enough).
We agree on something else.
Rights..... Women should have the right to choose. If that were to remain, and a christian could personally believe Abortion to be immoral, yet still believe that people in the free nation of the US should have the right to make that choice for themself, how would they be any less Christian? Is imposing your religious moral beliefs on everyone else in a free nation in the form of laws required to be a Christian? If so I have never heard of it this way.
I understand. And for me, I don't believe that a human is a human until it is a human. If that makes any sense. Yes, it is a life when the sperm meets the egg, and yes, maybe it does have "human dna", but I don't believe that "DNA" is what makes something human. And if you are angry because "a life" is being ended, then I want you to eat nothing but dirt for the rest of your life, because any meat you eat has had its life ended, any vegetation you eat has also had its life ended, and I hope you don't spray any anti-bacterial cleaners on your countertop, cause your killing millions of lives. But I digress from my point. I don't believe ending just any "life" is murder. Its ending the life of an individual human.
I'll try to sum up the first part of this quote the best I can. I believe in being a Christian before being an American. That my morals come before my (political) ideaology. If I'm in a situation where my ideaology conflicts with my morals, then I try to make a decision based on what think is morally acceptable, not ideaologically/socially acceptable. I believe other Christians and even Jews should believe this too. Non-believers are free to think what they want, mostly because it doesn't concern me because I don't want to force something on them that they don't want, unless they ask for it, of course.
It makes some sense... I guess. But once again, about the human-inside-a-human deal, I go back to David's wise opinion. Once the egg is fertilized I believe it to be human; especially once the heart and brain beigin to develope. As the fetus progresses thru it's different stages it becomes more human in appearance, but the DNA are still the "building blocks", our DNA is completely different from a dog. Can't forensic scientists use DNA tests to tell dog blood from human blood or whatever the scenario? But the Fetus' DNA is still a little bit different from the Mother's DNA, is it not?
When a cow is killed for food, that is fulfilling it's purpose. To feed humans, or dogs, or cats (pet food products...). It probably sounds cruel, but any Christian or Jew would agree that was cow's original purpose was food. Milk at first, but then Man was allowed to make hamburgers out of em' later on. Hehehe. But to 'murder' a human (unless in self-defense) is wrong. I'm against killing infants/fetuses, not against killing germs on the counter.
However, I still disagree with using abortion as birth control, but I don't think it should be legislated. Because the rest of the country may not agree with my beliefs, and it should not be the job of the government to regulate morals.
No, it should be up to Judeo-Christian leaders to legislate morals amongst it's believers. Well, to not maybe 'force' believers like the Catholic Church did a long time ago, but "strict reccommendations" I guess would be suitable... I dunno.
I already forgot what this was all about. :2razz:
Well, see. Here's your problem. If you were a republican like me, instead of a democrat, you wouldn't have a lapse in memory. Because elephants NEVER forget...:mrgreen:
