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Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 38 79.2%
  • No

    Votes: 10 20.8%

  • Total voters
    48
You have to understand I am fighting the good fight against Liberalism in about 4 threads at one time.........

OK, I've been here about 6 months now, have seen NavyPride post this comment many times, and still have no idea what it means! Would someone be kind enough to explain it to me? Thanks.
 
OK, I've been here about 6 months now, have seen NavyPride post this comment many times, and still have no idea what it means! Would someone be kind enough to explain it to me? Thanks.

Liberals are out there pretending to be shiny happy people whilst all the while promoting some heinous shite like abortion or sending Israel to obivian. NAvy Pride is the resident ARchie Bunker so it's not alway clear what he's trying to say but his intentions are good and he dons't like those who appaer pro jihaddy and support mams killing thier kin. That's why no matter what he says I'll love Navy!
 
"Child" in the context above essentially means "offspring." The Arimatheans didn't have another word for it, and the translations are not perfect as it is. The part about "leaping for joy" is obviously a metaphor, since fetuses don't react emotionally to external events.

A metaphor? I prefer to walk softly when parsing scripture,I take "leaping for joy" literally and this fetus may well have been an exception. With God all things are possible!


The only Bible passage that even comes close to addressing abortion is this primitive law:

"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth."--Ex. 21:22-25

Obviously in the example above a [crime] has been committed proving that a Christian or believer in the God of Abraham must [not] cause her fruit to depart from her and if this is done [punishment] will follow! Thus a practicing Christian who aborts a Child/Fetus/Fruit fails God's will. They may call themselves a Christian but they do not practice what is written if they are Pro Abortion or Pro Choice!


In other words, in ancient Israel, if a man hurts a pregnant woman and causes a miscarriage, he is only fined. But if he kills the woman, he is killed. In other words, a fetus clearly was NOT the equivalent to a human being in this society.

Ah but [equivalency] is not the subject of this debate!

Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

"If a man hurts a pregnant women and causes a miscarriage he is only fined"

Why fine the man if he as done [nothing] wrong? If he [has] done something wrong,then he is in violation of God's law according to the scriptures no? Again he may call himself a "Christian" but in reality he does not follow the law!


I realize that not all Christians accept the laws of the Old Testament, which is fine. But that's the only thing that even relates to abortion in the Bible. The New Testament is even less sympathetic to the anti-choice crowd. Abortion is not mentioned or implied a single time.

Nor is atomic warfare or stemcell research mentioned! I appreciate your commentary and respect your point of view. I think both of us wish there was a more precise explanation within the scriptures but this is why Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit to guide us. Today when a "Christian" contemplates abortion I am confident that the "Spirit" tries to reason with them. As a Christian, I [believe] abortion to be against the will of God. The examples you and I gave in our posts do show his "opposition" and the consequences. That is enough for me for to continuing to oppose his will by having or supporting abortion rights,calls into question our claim as "adherents" to Christianity.

Pax Christi <><
 
Liberals are out there pretending to be shiny happy people whilst all the while promoting some heinous shite like abortion or sending Israel to obivian. NAvy Pride is the resident ARchie Bunker so it's not alway clear what he's trying to say but his intentions are good and he dons't like those who appaer pro jihaddy and support mams killing thier kin. That's why no matter what he says I'll love Navy!



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I think she said she was a little drunk on another thread. Has to be the reason for her post. ;)
 
A metaphor? I prefer to walk softly when parsing scripture,I take "leaping for joy" literally and this fetus may well have been an exception. With God all things are possible!

It may well have been an exception...it may not have been. it comes down to YOUR interpretation against someone elses, and unless God talks to you alone the issue is unresolved and becomes one of personal faith. But, as you take the scriptures literally, lets continue:




Obviously in the example above a [crime] has been committed proving that a Christian or believer in the God of Abraham must [not] cause her fruit to depart from her and if this is done [punishment] will follow! Thus a practicing Christian who aborts a Child/Fetus/Fruit fails God's will. They may call themselves a Christian but they do not practice what is written if they are Pro Abortion or Pro Choice!

I dont suppose you ever wear cloth of more than one material...do you? And God Forbid (pun intended)...you enjoy shellfish....or do any of the below listed biblical infractions.....you abomination, You:




Ah but [equivalency] is not the subject of this debate!

Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

"If a man hurts a pregnant women and causes a miscarriage he is only fined"

Why fine the man if he as done [nothing] wrong? If he [has] done something wrong,then he is in violation of God's law according to the scriptures no? Again he may call himself a "Christian" but in reality he does not follow the law!




Nor is atomic warfare or stemcell research mentioned! I appreciate your commentary and respect your point of view. I think both of us wish there was a more precise explanation within the scriptures but this is why Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit to guide us. Today when a "Christian" contemplates abortion I am confident that the "Spirit" tries to reason with them. As a Christian, I [believe] abortion to be against the will of God. The examples you and I gave in our posts do show his "opposition" and the consequences. That is enough for me for to continuing to oppose his will by having or supporting abortion rights,calls into question our claim as "adherents" to Christianity.

Pax Christi <><

Deuteronomy
Chapter 22

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"You shall not see your kinsman's ox or sheep driven astray without showing concern about it; see to it that it is returned to your kinsman.
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If this kinsman does not live near you, or you do not know who he may be, take it to your own place and keep it with you until he claims it; then give it back to him.
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You shall do the same with his ***, or his garment, or anything else which your kinsman loses and you happen to find; you may not be unconcerned about them.
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You shall not see your kinsman's *** or ox foundering on the road without showing concern about it; see to it that you help him lift it up.
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"A woman shall not wear an article proper to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's dress; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God.
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"If, while walking along, you chance upon a bird's nest with young birds or eggs in it, in any tree or on the ground, and the mother bird is sitting on them, you shall not take away the mother bird along with her brood;
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you shall let her go, although you may take her brood away. It is thus that you shall have prosperity and a long life.
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"When you build a new house, put a parapet around the roof; otherwise, if someone falls off, you will bring bloodguilt upon your house.
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1 "You shall not sow your vineyard with two different kinds of seed; if you do, its produce shall become forfeit, both the crop you have sown and the yield of the vineyard.
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You shall not plow with an ox and an *** harnessed together.
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You shall not wear cloth of two different kinds of thread, wool and linen, woven together.
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2 "You shall put twisted cords on the four corners of the cloak that you wrap around you.
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"If a man, after marrying a woman and having relations with her, comes to dislike her,
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and makes monstrous charges against her and defames her by saying, 'I married this woman, but when I first had relations with her I did not find her a virgin,'
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3 the father and mother of the girl shall take the evidence of her virginity and bring it to the elders at the city gate.
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There the father of the girl shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man in marriage, but he has come to dislike her,
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and now brings monstrous charges against her, saying: I did not find your daughter a virgin. But here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity!' And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the city.
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4 Then these city elders shall take the man and chastise him,
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besides fining him one hundred silver shekels, which they shall give to the girl's father, because the man defamed a virgin in Israel. Moreover, she shall remain his wife, and he may not divorce her as long as he lives.
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"But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found,
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they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father's house and there her townsmen shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.


One of my personal favorites

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"If a man is discovered having relations with a woman who is married to another, both the man and the woman with whom he has had relations shall die. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
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5 "If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her,
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you shall bring them both out to the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
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"If, however, it is in the open fields that a man comes upon such a betrothed maiden, seizes her and has relations with her, the man alone shall die.
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You shall do nothing to the maiden, since she is not guilty of a capital offense. This case is like that of a man who rises up against his neighbor and murders him:
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it was in the open fields that he came upon her, and though the betrothed maiden may have cried out for help, there was no one to come to her aid.
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"If a man comes upon a maiden that is not betrothed, takes her and has relations with her, and their deed is discovered,
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the man who had relations with her shall pay the girl's father fifty silver shekels and take her as his wife, because he has deflowered her. Moreover, he may not divorce her as long as he lives.

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Footnotes

1 [9] Become forfeit: to the sanctuary; cf Lev 19:19; Joshua 6:19.

2 [12] Twisted cords: referred to as "tassels" on "violet cords" in Numbers 15:38. See note there.

3 [15] The evidence of her virginity: the bridal garment or sheet stained with a little blood from the first nuptial relations.

4 [18] Chastise him: flog him, as prescribed in Deut 25:1-3.

5 [23] A maiden who is betrothed: a girl who is married but not yet brought to her husband's home and whose marriage is therefore still unconsummated.


I am so going to He!!....Woe is me
 
I speak for Christians..........We believe life begins at conception.....It is taught in our doctrine................
Based on the overwhelming poll results I think it is clear that Navy Pride's suggestion that he "speaks for Christians" is utterly untrue...again!

He seems to not be able to even understand the people who have he thinks support his opinion....This is a fine example of who Navy Pride is....
 
Why is everyone always trying to destroy Christianity with some sort of social reformation dilemma?

Is it not true that all religions change to suit the needs of the progressive society? Is it not true that alternate paths to salvation is constanty being tested amongst men? Is it not true that Christians accept the roles of Darwinism, but still are capable of holding to their faiths of creation? Are Christians supposed to lead a perfect life or simply try to maintain a perfect life in a world that encourages anything but?

Simply because a Christian believes in a woman's right to choose, doesn't mean that he is not a Christian. A Christian should be allowed to believe in what he/she wishes without the persecution or the sanctimonious non-Christian who scoffs at his/her prayers. The truth is that all people of any religion chooses their sins and they live by them. The truly dangerous are the ones that will lash out on society to preserve an outdated damaging tradition or to create a new one. The problem that I see on this thread is that many wish in vain to produce the typical Christian as that retard that hops around the Church, passes around snakes, goes to the pulpit to be "healed," or believes in rediculous notions that God "pre-dated" the dinosuar bones.

Of course, these same individuals will jump all over others who attempt to paint all of Islam as that terrorist for the sake of political-correctness. You see, saying otherwise might get your head cut off. However, bashing the Christian is always safe. And what about Islam's response towards America? Do they not scream about how American culture is invading their religion? Do many Americans scream about the same thing as they strive to find American blame for all Middle Eastern affairs? It's a shame that these same individuals will pull out every stop to attack Christianity.

But let's flip this around. What about those fanatics of Christianity that claim others aren't Christian enough, because they believe in something they do not. Is the Bible not full of contradictions left to the confusion of the reader and the interpretation of the preacher? Was it not Christian to believe that demons possessed women in Winston Salem and were murdered to rid them of their infliction? Was it not Christian to kill a Catholic or a Protestant over the paths to salvation? How many Christians died in Spain because Phillip II felt the need to act as God's self appointed executioner and slaughter Catholics? How many Christians died because Thomas Muntzer babtized Germany in Protestant blood to preserve a sense of "true faith" in Catholicism? And just how Christian is it to chain "God" to a patch of dirt making him little more than a brutal land lord? People of "true faith" will kill for their "Gods," but they will slaughter for their religion's totems. These savages also believe that they personify "true faith."

History has seen each and every major religion define and redefine its faith. History has seen each and every major religion enforce those definitions upon each other and upon people of different faiths. Today, we are told that Christians aren't really Christians if they believe in a women's right to choose. We are also told that Christians aren't real Christians because they lack perfection. It's simple. In Christianity, we believe that God made man-whether it be form dirt or through evolution-and gave him free will. This means that women have free will and no man (who is not equal to God) has a right to take that away. If abortion is to be questioned by "God," then "God" will deal with the individual when the time comes.

Who the hell are any of you to question anyone's faith or how they define it? Religious terrorists are made from such arrogant perches.
 
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Genocide? Why can't people just get past their agendas? :roll:

Originally Posted by GySgt
It's a shame that these same individuals will pull out every stop to attack Christianity.

Liberalism at its best. Attack all moral fabric and all stable foundations and scream, literally scream, at anybody that disagrees with them, calling them racists, sexists and bigots etc. The old Liberal Politically Correct and Moraly Bankrupt Two Step! :doh
 
Everyone on Earth sins, and every sin can be forgiven by Christ. :) I know it's warped for Christians to want to kill unborn babies, but as was said, there's nothing in the Bible about Abortion so I can't say how He feels about it... But it doesn't say "All sins except Abortion will be forgiven"...

I know that is Psalm 139 David talks about how he was formed in the womb, almost sounds like he was thankful that he wasn't aborted. But this Psalm does prove, for Christians and Jews, that we are formed in the womb and completely different from our mothers. Even our genetic codes are different. So that argument that "it's the woman's body, let her do with it what she wants", it doesn't hold a grain of truth in Judeo-Christian beliefs as long as there is a fetus inside her. She can't damage it and if she does, she and the doctor should be changed with pre-meditated murder; or whatever.

So Christians can be for abortion, but then they are hypocrites. Yes, I break many rules, such as my lust for war and battle, but to murder a child is something I could not do, I'd kill myself before slaughtering an innocent child.

Of course the Atheists would say that Abraham was going to kill his own son. Well, let me explain this. God wasn't really going to let Abe sacrifice his son, God was just testing his faith and loyalty.
 
Genocide? Why can't people just get past their agendas? :roll:



Liberalism at its best. Attack all moral fabric and all stable foundations and scream, literally scream, at anybody that disagrees with them, calling them racists, sexists and bigots etc. The old Liberal Politically Correct and Moraly Bankrupt Two Step! :doh

Only person in this thread screaming at anyone who disagrees with them is the one who started the thread. He'd pound anyone who called him liberal...
 
I know that is Psalm 139 David talks about how he was formed in the womb, almost sounds like he was thankful that he wasn't aborted. But this Psalm does prove, for Christians and Jews, that we are formed in the womb and completely different from our mothers.
Psalms don't really prove anything. They are writings and poetry by men who are inspired by thier religion, but are not prophets or messiahs. God isn't speaking through them.

So Christians can be for abortion, but then they are hypocrites. Yes, I break many rules, such as my lust for war and battle, but to murder a child is something I could not do, I'd kill myself before slaughtering an innocent child.
Yet, it should be forgivable to be an adultering drunk who bad mouths his parents and steals from his neighbor, while "worshiping" the cross instead of god, works every saturday from sun up to sun down all the while swearing out in gods name angrily and telling lies to cover up his acts. Are you telling me this man should be forgiven while one who makes a bad decision to abort an unborn child cannot?

Also, do realize that unless they are looney ( I don't want to say NOBODY has..), NOBODY walks around holding a sign screaming "ABORT YOUR BABIES!..... KILL THEM NOW!!!" that would be "Pro-Abortion". The difference between that and "Pro-Choice" is that you believe the option should be open, even if you don't believe its the best choice. So, should a christian not be forgiving to someone who had aborted a child and asks Jesus for forgiveness? You have PASTORS and PREACHERS and PRIESTS who commit sins more expressly outlawed by god (IN THE BIBLE) who are allowed to continue to preach and speak to congregants and are forgiven, for sins that are a part of the 10 commandments, yet abortion.. OH NO!

Talk about hypocrits.

Of course the Atheists would say that Abraham was going to kill his own son. Well, let me explain this. God wasn't really going to let Abe sacrifice his son, God was just testing his faith and loyalty.
Thats the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard of. Ive never heard anyone use that argument, its quite obvious to all who have read that God was testing Abram.
 
Psalms don't really prove anything. They are writings and poetry by men who are inspired by thier religion, but are not prophets or messiahs. God isn't speaking through them.

Yet, it should be forgivable to be an adultering drunk who bad mouths his parents and steals from his neighbor, while "worshiping" the cross instead of god, works every saturday from sun up to sun down all the while swearing out in gods name angrily and telling lies to cover up his acts. Are you telling me this man should be forgiven while one who makes a bad decision to abort an unborn child cannot?

Also, do realize that unless they are looney ( I don't want to say NOBODY has..), NOBODY walks around holding a sign screaming "ABORT YOUR BABIES!..... KILL THEM NOW!!!" that would be "Pro-Abortion". The difference between that and "Pro-Choice" is that you believe the option should be open, even if you don't believe its the best choice. So, should a christian not be forgiving to someone who had aborted a child and asks Jesus for forgiveness? You have PASTORS and PREACHERS and PRIESTS who commit sins more expressly outlawed by god (IN THE BIBLE) who are allowed to continue to preach and speak to congregants and are forgiven, for sins that are a part of the 10 commandments, yet abortion.. OH NO!

Talk about hypocrits.


Thats the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard of. Ive never heard anyone use that argument, its quite obvious to all who have read that God was testing Abram.


Hmmm..... where to begin. At the beginning I suppose!

Psalms was written by King David. So Psalms is credible to Judeo-Christian Law. David was chosen by God to rule over the Israelites.

I'm not the one who decides who should be forgivin or not. That's God's job. I don't think I've ever claimed to be the master forgiver.

You heathens can do what ever the hell you want. I'll let you all lead yourselves to your own ruin. I could care less. I'm looking out for Jews and Christians only. They are my concern.

Yes, we sin, all Jews and Christians do. All Humans for that matter, sin. But if I can convince Jews and Christians to stop the needless slaughtewr of children in the womb, then I believe that'll make things better. But YOU can do what you want, it doesn't concern me.

I was also discussing the topic of this thread "abortion". But you seem to have thrown every charge against Christians in here, which was unwarranted. This thread isn't about heretic priests who fondle children. It's about Christians who needlessly murder their own children.

And I've heard other Atheists use the Abraham story as a means of dividing Christians. I was just preparing myself incase that lame argument was brought up...
 
A metaphor? I prefer to walk softly when parsing scripture,I take "leaping for joy" literally and this fetus may well have been an exception. With God all things are possible!

If this fetus was an exception, then it undermines your entire point because no broad conclusion about abortion could be drawn from it.

And if it wasn't an exception, then there was nothing special about that fetus and it didn't LITERALLY leap for joy.

Spencer Collins said:
Obviously in the example above a [crime] has been committed proving that a Christian or believer in the God of Abraham must [not] cause her fruit to depart from her and if this is done [punishment] will follow! Thus a practicing Christian who aborts a Child/Fetus/Fruit fails God's will. They may call themselves a Christian but they do not practice what is written if they are Pro Abortion or Pro Choice!

I think you missed the point. The life of the fetus is assigned a lower value than the life of an adult human.

Spencer Collins said:
Ah but [equivalency] is not the subject of this debate!

Of course it is. The entire reasoning behind the anti-choice argument is that a fetus is the equivalent of a person, and abortion is tantamount to murder. If you don't believe that, then opposing abortion doesn't make any sense.

Spencer Collins said:
Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

"If a man hurts a pregnant women and causes a miscarriage he is only fined"

Why fine the man if he as done [nothing] wrong? If he [has] done something wrong,then he is in violation of God's law according to the scriptures no? Again he may call himself a "Christian" but in reality he does not follow the law!

Who said he didn't do anything wrong? Of course someone should be punished if they cause a woman to have a miscarriage or force an abortion. And I'm as pro-choice as they come.

Spencer Collins said:
Nor is atomic warfare or stemcell research mentioned!

But unlike those things, abortion actually existed when the Old Testament was written.

Spencer Collins said:
I appreciate your commentary and respect your point of view. I think both of us wish there was a more precise explanation within the scriptures but this is why Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit to guide us. Today when a "Christian" contemplates abortion I am confident that the "Spirit" tries to reason with them. As a Christian, I [believe] abortion to be against the will of God.

Your god took the time to clarify his stance on eating shellfish, but not on abortion. Which leads me to believe it wasn't that big of a concern for him.

Spencer Collins said:
The examples you and I gave in our posts do show his "opposition" and the consequences.

Actually the example I gave shows exactly the opposite. The example you gave doesn't really show much at all in regards to abortion.

Spencer Collins said:
That is enough for me for to continuing to oppose his will by having or supporting abortion rights,calls into question our claim as "adherents" to Christianity.

Pax Christi <><

Do you follow (or even try to follow) every single law in the Bible? Some parts of the Bible are routinely ignored by Christians. For example, the prohibition against eating shellfish, the prohibition against working on the Sabbath, the prohibition against touching the skin of a pig, the prohibition against wearing clothes made from two or more garments, etc. Does it "call into question [your] claim as an adherent to Christianity" if you don't follow those things? Then why is abortion any different? If anything, those things are MORE important than abortion, as they are clearly prohibited whereas abortion is not.
 
So ngdawg, I should have written "Idiocy at its best" instead ;) Point taken.
 
Well I see some of our friends on the left have skewed the poll by voting yes 4 or 5 times.............to bad............
 
Psalms was written by King David. So Psalms is credible to Judeo-Christian Law. David was chosen by God to rule over the Israelites.
So a guy writing poems to god is law?? Explain this again?


I'm not the one who decides who should be forgivin or not. That's God's job. I don't think I've ever claimed to be the master forgiver.
Okay....

You heathens can do what ever the hell you want. I'll let you all lead yourselves to your own ruin. I could care less. I'm looking out for Jews and Christians only. They are my concern.
So, your going to generalize me as a heathen.... May I ask why? Where have I stated that I am an athiest? Where have I stated that I am a pagan/wiccan??? What exactly do you know about me that would qualify me as a "heathen"????? Explain yourself.

Yes, we sin, all Jews and Christians do. All Humans for that matter, sin. But if I can convince Jews and Christians to stop the needless slaughtewr of children in the womb, then I believe that'll make things better. But YOU can do what you want, it doesn't concern me.
Yes, it is a good thing to convince people NOT to have abortions. But to claim that whose who don't feel that the government should limit the rights of the people to choose cannot call themselves christian is NOT acceptable. Convincing through education is good, more and more laws that we already have enough of is bad. Now, this fails to explain how those who violate the 10 commandments (the laws of the jewish and christian beliefs that are supposed to be held in the highest reguard) should be allowed to consider themselves christian, while those who have the opinion that there should not be a law governing access to abortions cannot consider themselves christian. Explain yourself!

I was also discussing the topic of this thread "abortion". But you seem to have thrown every charge against Christians in here, which was unwarranted. This thread isn't about heretic priests who fondle children. It's about Christians who needlessly murder their own children.
No, you seem to have the thread wrong. I was asking you how you can say that those who break the 10 commandments on a regular basis can consider themselves christians, but those who have the opinion that there should not be laws governing access to abortion cannot. I believe the actual act of committing a SIN is worse than the opinion that the sin should not be governed by manmade law. I threw no "charge against Christians" in here. I was using an example. It seems you have me misjudged to some sort of anti-religion person and thus have taken the defensive on everything I have said, labeling me as a religion bashing fool. You are sadly mistaken.

And I've heard other Atheists use the Abraham story as a means of dividing Christians. I was just preparing myself incase that lame argument was brought up...
Ive only heard such a lame argument from you so far.....
 
Well I see some of our friends on the left have skewed the poll by voting yes 4 or 5 times.............to bad............

NP - I voted once. Please tell me how I can possibly go back and vote 4 more times!

Are you once again claiming to see results that you can't see?

Where is your evidence?

Or is it that you just don't like the results? :2wave:
 
I don't think that supporting abortion rights has anything inherently to do with right or left. For example, by any objective standard, I am MUCH more conservative than you are, and yet I support abortion rights and you don't. And the reason I support abortion rights is because I am more conservative than you, I think abortion is too complex for the government to deal with it properly.

Anywho, of course you can be a true christian and support abortion rights. It's a ridiculous question. There is a moral argument for and against abortion rights, both of which are valid depending on which assumptions you choose to make, and so someone who makes different assumption than you will draw an entirely different conclusions, even if in every other way their beliefs on what makes something moral or immoral are the same.

For example, do you believe I am a true Christian? Have I ever given you reason to believe that my stated beliefs are not genuine? I support abortion rights. The official stance of the Episocapalian church is supportive of abortion rights. It's a ridiculous question.

I am MUCH more conservative than you are, and yet I support abortion rights and you don't.

I doubt that very seriously but whatever if it make you feel better so be it.........

I know of no true Conservative who is pro abortion/choice.........Now Rudy G. like you calls himself a Conservative and he may be a Fiscal Conservative but there is no way in hell he is a social Conservative.............He like you is pro abortion/choice.......

Yeah and the Episcopal Church also has a gay bishop, and the majority of the dioceases are breaking away from that liberal sect..........

I think you will find that the vast majority of religions are pro life and anti abortion/choice, of course there are exceptions to every rule.........
 
NP - I voted once. Please tell me how I can possibly go back and vote 4 more times!

Are you once again claiming to see results that you can't see?

Where is your evidence?

Or is it that you just don't like the results? :2wave:

Is it even possible to vote more than once?
And why would any of us care enough about NP's lame little poll to bother?

:confused:
 
Is it even possible to vote more than once?
And why would any of us care enough about NP's lame little poll to bother?

:confused:


Heh....I didnt even vote....but then, I rarely do in Navy Polls
 
Well I see some of our friends on the left have skewed the poll by voting yes 4 or 5 times.............to bad............


How in the world did you reach that conclusion? Or are you just talking out of your *** again?

A) You can't vote more than once.
B) Even if you could, you have no way of KNOWING if anyone did, because you can't see who voted for what.
 
I know of no true Conservative who is pro abortion/choice.

Barry Goldwater? Milton Friedman? Surely you don't deny that they were conservatives, do you?

Why do you always try to divide people along sectarian lines? Just about every single post you make is "You aren't a true member of Group X, unless you agree with me on Issue Z." First you claimed to be the authority on what "real Christians" believe, but you got your *** handed to you in that debate, so now you're trying to change the subject by making an equally asinine assertion about what "real conservatives" believe.
 
NP - I voted once. Please tell me how I can possibly go back and vote 4 more times!

Are you once again claiming to see results that you can't see?

Where is your evidence?

Or is it that you just don't like the results? :2wave:

hips, this is not the first time a poll has been skewed by people voting more then once...................It can be done
 
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