Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

[Navy Pride]

Can you call yourself Christian and be for genicide in the Womb?

 

[Caine]

Can you call yourself Christian and be for genicide in the Womb?

Yes, I believe you can.
Nowhere in the Tanach are there any statements forbiding such an act.
Nowhere in the Gospels of Jesus are there any statements forbiding such an act.

And, lets rephrase your OP.

Genocide?
Lets see. An Embryo is....
A nationality? No
A Racial Group? No
A Political Group? No
A cultural group? No

It appears that an unborn human-like organism does not fall under any of these categories, and therefore, does not quality for the term genocide.


That just about sums up the intelligence of this debate.

 

[Hatuey]

Can you call yourself Christian and be for genicide in the Womb?

Definition of Genocide :

Genocide is a term defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Definition of Murder :

A murder is the illegal killing of another. Perpetrators are usually subjected to either lengthy imprisonment or the death penalty in countries which allow capital punishment. Legalized killing, such as genocide, can also constitute murder if it violates international law.

As long as abortion is legal. It's not murder either. :|

EY! Stop feeding off my popularity you ding-dong.

 

[Skip]

To the poll, yes, because I am.

To the question in the OP, no way, because that's GOT to be painful for the mother. How could you get an entire religion or race inside a womb?!?

 

[1069]

To the poll, yes, because I am.

To the question in the OP, no way, because that's GOT to be painful for the mother. How could you get an entire religion or race inside a womb?!?

Good one! .... :2rofll:

I'm sure if it's possible, old NP will figure out a way.

 

[Navy Pride]

Yes, I believe you can.
Nowhere in the Tanach are there any statements forbiding such an act.
Nowhere in the Gospels of Jesus are there any statements forbiding such an act.

And, lets rephrase your OP.

Genocide?
Lets see. An Embryo is....
A nationality? No
A Racial Group? No
A Political Group? No
A cultural group? No

It appears that an unborn human-like organism does not fall under any of these categories, and therefore, does not quality for the term genocide.


That just about sums up the intelligence of this debate.

True people of faith believe life begins at conception.........

 

[Adrian]

True people of faith believe life begins at conception.........

The No True Scotsman argument.

 

[1069]

The No True Scotsman argument.

The True Christian™ argument.
Any time a Christian fails to tow the fundamentalist party line, it's because he's not a True Christian™.

:roll:

Where's a pit of lions when you need one?

 

[Stupiderthanthou]

Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

Since people do it, yes. Simple enough. And as for their being real Christians... if they say they are, who's to say they're not? Since Christianity isn't... monolithic, it seems to me that no one group can tell another that its members aren't believers as long as they all share the same basic ideas about God. Baptists and Methodists disagree about things, but they regard each other as members of the same religion. If you consider it objectively, I think abortion proves comparable to the differences between denominations; it's simply a moral rather than theological issue. And Christian morality is certainly open to interpretation sometimes; Jesus dealt in parables, after all, not commandments.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Can you call yourself Christian and be for genicide in the Womb?

NavyPride has found humor!!!! :lamo:lamo:lamo Very funny statement...unless...were you...serious?

 

[Navy Pride]

NavyPride has found humor!!!! :lamo:lamo:lamo Very funny statement...unless...were you...serious?

Instead of attacking me try and bring something of value to the subject of the thread...........thanks.......

 

[Kandahar]

True people of faith believe life begins at conception.........

Says who? Do you speak for your god? If I'm not mistaken, that's a sin according to the Bible, whereas abortion is not mentioned at all.

 

[Navy Pride]

I speak for Christians..........We believe life begins at conception.....It is taught in our doctrine................

 

[hipsterdufus]

Can you call yourself Christian and be for genicide in the Womb?

Try these questions.

Can you call yourself Christian and be:

against slavery?
against working on the sabbath?
pro death penalty?
prowar?
against helping the poor?
a supporter of wearing clothes from mixed threads?
a person who touches a football made of pig?

etc. etc. etc.

 

[Kandahar]

I speak for Christians..........We believe life begins at conception.....It is taught in our doctrine................

The doctrine of some of the churches, perhaps. But I challenge you to find it anywhere in the Bible.

 

[Southern Belle]

Since being Christian means you accept that Christ died on the cross for your sins, yes you can. And I'm pro-Life, but I know anyone who wants to be can be Christian.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Instead of attacking me try and bring something of value to the subject of the thread...........thanks.......

My comment was a sarcastic attempt at showing the complete ludicrousness of your original statement...and also the obscure hope that you were kidding with your wording. I mean, come on NavyPride, even you must see the ridiculousness of using the word genocide in discussing abortion. The words do not connect at all. Check the definition of genocide...which I think Caine already provided. I know you are trying to show your complete disgust and hatred for abortion, but when you post comments like the OP, all you show is an illinformed emotionality about the issue...which does you a disservice, as I do not believe you are actually poorly informed about abortion.

So, there is my valuable contribution to this thread.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Since being Christian means you accept that Christ died on the cross for your sins, yes you can. And I'm pro-Life, but I know anyone who wants to be can be Christian.

Not to derail this thread but, if Christ had died in let's say the 1960's or 1970's , would Christians be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses?

Would churches have big electric chairs on the front of the altars?

Just wondering....:2wave:

 

[Southern Belle]

Lol, I don't know, maybe that's why He came when they used Crosses.

 

[1069]

Lol, I don't know, maybe that's why He came when they used Crosses.

If so, it was a prudent decision on His part; the cross is one of the more picturesque implements of torture/execution, one which easily lends itself to religious iconography.
A miniature guillotine wouldn't be nearly so convenient to wear around one's neck, although it might be fun to play with in class.
And you could use it to clip your fingernails with, in a pinch. :smile:

 

[talloulou]

Sure you can religion and hypocrisy go hand in hand. In fact it was recently brought to my attention that my biological father, whom I don't know, was granted an annulment by the Catholic church in regards to his marriage to my mother. So I guess my sister, brothers, and I are all bastards. The church never informed any of us of our new status or attempted to tell my mother her previous marriage was invalid. I guess for the right chunk of change you can call yourself a Christian and do just about any 'ol thing. :moody As if I needed another reason to despise religion. :roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

Try these questions.

Can you call yourself Christian and be:

against slavery?
against working on the sabbath?
pro death penalty?
prowar?
against helping the poor?
a supporter of wearing clothes from mixed threads?
a person who touches a football made of pig?

etc. etc. etc.

against slavery? Yes
against working on the sabbath? yes
pro death penalty? yes
prowar? yes
against helping the poor? no
a supporter of wearing clothes from mixed threads? huh?
a person who touches a football made of pig? huh?

 

[1069]

a supporter of wearing clothes from mixed threads? huh?

This is obviously a reference to Leviticus 19:19:

"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee."

a person who touches a football made of pig? huh?

This is probably a reference to the dietary restrictions prescribed in Leviticus 11.

"11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
1:5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud , but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
1:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud , but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."

Pretty explicit stuff, I'd say.
Ironic that in the midst of all this, God never found time to say word one about abortion.

But the really relevant question, in my mind is, what's your stance on shellfish?
Because, look here:

Lev 11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

And then, blah-blah-blah, God goes on to caution followers about the moral dangers inherent in consuming ospreys, vultures, and other birds of prey.

So, anyone: Shellfish?
Should we boycott Red Lobster, picket Long John Silver's?
Dear God, won't somebody please think of the children!!

 

[Kandahar]

a supporter of wearing clothes from mixed threads? huh?
a person who touches a football made of pig? huh?

Maybe you should read the Bible yourself, before you tell other people that they aren't "real Christians."

 

[Navy Pride]

This is obviously a reference to Leviticus 19:19:

"Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee."



This is probably a reference to the dietary restrictions prescribed in Leviticus 11.

"11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
1:5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud , but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
1:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud , but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."

Pretty explicit stuff, I'd say.
Ironic that in the midst of all this, God never found time to say word one about abortion.
But the really relevant question, in my mind is, what's your stance on shellfish?
Because, look here:

Lev 11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

And then, blah-blah-blah, God goes on to caution followers about the moral dangers inherent in consuming ospreys, vultures, and other birds of prey.

So, anyone: Shellfish?
Should we boycott Red Lobster, picket Long John Silver's?
Dear God, won't somebody please think of the children!!

That is probably because in those days a woman did not kill the baby in her womb.......Life may have been more precious then it is now.......