Would you marry a stripper?

ChrisL said:

When that person is teaching my child and has a "relationship" (as so many teachers seem to claim) with my child, then it most certainly IS MY BUSINESS. Anyone who is around my child on a daily basis is my business.

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What legal professions someone had before they became a teacher is none of your business.

Anyway, I don't debate with closed minded people that put words in my mouth.

Adios.


Have a more tolerant day.

DA60 said:

I did not say why the majority of guys go to exotic dance clubs - obviously to get drunk and look at naked women.

I said (in essence) the majority of guys that get multiple, private dances (say more then 3) with dancers do not understand that most of the dancers are trying to get them to fall for them so that they will keep coming back for more. Most guys tend to think that when a woman is being nice to them that they probably like them. Dancers use this to try and extract more cash. Also, the more they can get a guy to have a 'crush' on them - the less dancing they have to do and the more money they get just for sitting around talking to these guys.
These dancers realize that you cannot keep a guy hooked by being good looking as there will always be someone better looking to take the 'regular' away from you. But if you get them hooked emotionally - they will never stray as long as they think they have a chance with you.
It's common sense.

I spend MANY nights in those places back then and got to know a lot of dancers and patrons personally.

I am not going to debate this with you - this was the case about 10-15 years ago.

Though what it is like now - I do not know.

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I'm not one to expect strippers to "fall in love" with me. I'm well aware that it's all an act. However, I would point out that, in my experience, finding just one girl and spending most of the night with her is simply a better strip club strategy from a guy's perspective.

Let's face it, when you finally manage to land a dance with the one hot dancer at the club who knows just how to push your buttons, you're going to wind up spending a non-negligible amount of money on her either way. If alcohol's involved, it's just going to get worse.

Do you really want to have spent 50-100 dollars on women that were just "meh" before hand?

If I play it cool and just wait for the dancer I really want, I can get out of the club at the end of night with some fun memories and, at most, 150-200 dollars spent out of pocket (if it's a more expensive venue). If I settle for less early on, it's more like 300 dollars plus.

I suppose you could skip the dances entirely, but what'd be the fun in that? :shrug: :lol:

Peter Grimm said:

A stripper is just a hooker with higher standards.

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Hookers don't charge anywhere near that much. :lamo

ChrisL said:

Give it a rest, will ya? I've already explained my position to you. Your turn to explain why you think it is okay for us parents to be lackadaisical when it comes to our educators.

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Give what a rest? Calling you out? You're avoiding answering a question that I've asked several times now, because it contradicts your earlier values in the pornography case. By your very own words, a woman who ever monetarizes her sexuality, should be banned for life from teaching.

How does parents not having the ability to have teacher's lives ruined make them lacksadaisacal? Parents should focus on raising their kids with their own moral values, not trying to have teachers fired because they disagree with that teacher's past.

What is it about having stripped say, 20 years ago, that makes someone a danger to be around children?

ChrisL said:

When that person is teaching my child and has a "relationship" (as so many teachers seem to claim) with my child, then it most certainly IS MY BUSINESS. Anyone who is around my child on a daily basis is my business.

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Not when your kid is in a public school. By your logic, you should be able to have someone fired because you don't like that they're muslim, or used to be muslim. Sorry, you don't have a right to try to ruin someone else's life because you disagree with their decisions.

Why don't you run along and go run some background checks on your local teachers. There isn't an ounce of respect for personal freedom in your body. We don't live in a theocracy.

DA60 said:

What legal professions someone had before they became a teacher is none of your business.

Anyway, I don't debate with closed minded people that put words in my mouth.

Adios.


Have a more tolerant day.

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This is just her MO. She has a cute little set of morals that she thinks should be forced on whomever she thinks, and that anyone who violates her morals should be fired and have their careers ruined. She wants raging groups of parents to be able to have teachers fired because of their non-violent past.

I guess once a stripper always a stripper. We need to think of the children, otherwise our kids will be getting lapdances from their teachers.

RabidAlpaca said:

We're talking not just about current strippers, but people who were strippers decades ago. Maybe she was a poor 18 year old who got abandoned by her family and needed to make cash to eat. Then she decided to clean her act up and become a teacher. The same exact scenario I posed to you for a pornstar, you vehemently declared that she should be banned forever from teaching. This should be an easy decision for you.

You've shown you believe that whatever YOUR moral standard is should be law, and that any raging group of parents should be able to ruin a teacher's life.

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'Miss Baker. Thank you for coming before the PTA. Now it has come to our attention that 20 years ago you once drove past an exotic dance club and said "I wonder how much they make". I am sorry, but we do not tolerate teachers with such jaded pasts corrupting our children. So even though your students consistently mark you in the top tier of our satisfaction survey...I am afraid we are going to recommend that you be fired.'

ChrisL said:

I disagree, not if they're not doing anything on the side, then it's just a job to them. To YOU it might be sex, but to them it's just another job. :shrug:

For you guys who complain that the mean strippers are using and abusing you, just don't go to strip clubs. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. :2razz:

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Where are you getting that I'm complaining about "mean strippers?". I don't even go to strip clubs, they do nothing for me. But anyway, a hookers job is just a job too, she's just willing to do more for less, hence the lower standards part.

cpwill said:

:shrug: certainly in some cases it's a pretty powerful indicator.

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Right - all priests are trustworthy and all lawyers are evil . . . sound stereotypical to me.

Perhaps people shouldn't break someone down to the nuts and bolts of their career when discussing important things such as having a serious relationship with said individual - you're involving yourself with a person, not their job.

ChrisL said:

I don't know. It depends on a case by case basis, I guess. What is wrong with expecting a higher standard when it comes to people who are working so closely with our children anyway?

It's simple. If you want to dedicate yourself to being a good teacher and a good influence on the children, you should stay out of the sex industry. It's NOT a lot to ask of someone.

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RabidAlpaca said:

Give what a rest? Calling you out? You're avoiding answering a question that I've asked several times now, because it contradicts your earlier values in the pornography case. By your very own words, a woman who ever monetarizes her sexuality, should be banned for life from teaching.

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See my quote above? I answered it.

How does parents not having the ability to have teacher's lives ruined make them lacksadaisacal? Parents should focus on raising their kids with their own moral values, not trying to have teachers fired because they disagree with that teacher's past.

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Why do you say it's the parents who ruined her life? It's not. There is such a thing called personal responsibility. There are consequences for every action. Quit acting like it's the end of the world because someone can't work with children. No, everybody should NOT work with children.

What is it about having stripped say, 20 years ago, that makes someone a danger to be around children?

Not when your kid is in a public school. By your logic, you should be able to have someone fired because you don't like that they're muslim, or used to be muslim. Sorry, you don't have a right to try to ruin someone else's life because you disagree with their decisions.

Why don't you run along and go run some background checks on your local teachers. There isn't an ounce of respect for personal freedom in your body. We don't live in a theocracy.

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This is completely different than making judgments about someone's religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.

This is just her MO. She has a cute little set of morals that she thinks should be forced on whomever she thinks, and that anyone who violates her morals should be fired and have their careers ruined. She wants raging groups of parents to be able to have teachers fired because of their non-violent past.

I guess once a stripper always a stripper. We need to think of the children, otherwise our kids will be getting lapdances from their teachers.

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My, such an emotional reaction. Did you even go back and edit so that you could internet yell at me some more? :lol: At least you think my morals are cute. That's saying something.

It's very typical of this one to over-react and get emotional, and then accuse every one else of getting emotional

Any minute, she'll be accusing others of being childless

DA60 said:

What legal professions someone had before they became a teacher is none of your business.

Anyway, I don't debate with closed minded people that put words in my mouth.

Adios.


Have a more tolerant day.

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Now this I find interesting. Here you say the above, but as I quoted below:

DA60 said:

I did not say love and affection. I said talking/listening.

RapidAlpaca hit it right on the nose - strippers are actresses first, dancers second.

And there is a reason they are like that.

If most guys knew the score, it would be the other way around.

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So basically, strippers are NOT good enough for you or other guys because of their questionable moral standards, however you feel they are good enough for students who are trying to learn. Hmmm.

sangha said:

It's very typical of this one to over-react and get emotional, and then accuse every one else of getting emotional

Any minute, she'll be accusing others of being childless

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Nothing to say about the topic?

ChrisL said:

Now this I find interesting. Here you say the above, but as I quoted below:



So basically, strippers are NOT good enough for you or other guys because of their questionable moral standards, however you feel they are good enough for students who are trying to learn. Hmmm.

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Because teachers don't teach morality. That's the parents' job.

ChrisL said:

Nothing to say about the topic?

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I forgot that you're the only who is allowed to comment on how other posters are getting emotional and over-reacting :roll:

sangha said:

Because teachers don't teach morality. That's the parents' job.

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Parents teach a code of conduct, not morality. I realize the two are easy to confuse, but they are not the same thing.

sangha said:

Because teachers don't teach morality. That's the parents' job.

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Well then, I guess you must be against sex education then? That would be teaching morality.

Also, teachers are not role models? Not authority figures that maybe SOME children might look up to and maybe want to emulate?

sangha said:

I forgot that you're the only who is allowed to comment on how other posters are getting emotional and over-reacting :roll:

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Just don't let it happen again and nobody gets hurt. :mrgreen: OOOPS! Just kidding, that wasn't actually a threat, just a joke. I just want to make that crystal, crystal clear.

ChrisL said:

Well then, I guess you must be against sex education then? That would be teaching morality.

Also, teachers are not role models? Not authority figures that maybe SOME children might look up to and maybe want to emulate?

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That was stupid. Sex ed teaches scientific facts, not morality

And parents should be the childs role model, and the teacher isn't going to suggest that children start stripping. You're going overboard

it is really sad to see such topics.

... who decides to marry according to some titles actually is just another example of a person from middle age.

sangha said:

That was stupid. Sex ed teaches scientific facts, not morality

And parents should be the childs role model, and the teacher isn't going to suggest that children start stripping. You're going overboard

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It doesn't matter what the teacher suggests with words. If she or he is engaging in such behavior, then they should forfeit working with children, as children can be impressionable. There's nothing unfair about it IMO. Actions have consequences.

Of course, I don't condone or not condone their behaviors. That's their lives, but when it has to do with my child, then yes I have every right to know if someone was a former or current sex industry worker.

Just stopping in quickly. Gotta busy day and evening. We can continue this later though. :2wave:

ChrisL said:

It doesn't matter what the teacher suggests with words. If she or he is engaging in such behavior, then they should forfeit working with children, as children can be impressionable. There's nothing unfair about it IMO. Actions have consequences.

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More nonsense. For one thing, you said that even if the stripping were in the past, then they shouldn't be teaching. For another, how would a child know that their teacher is a stripper?

The only way is if an adult told them.

Of course, I don't condone or not condone their behaviors. That's their lives, but when it has to do with my child, then yes I have every right to know if someone was a former or current sex industry worker.

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And no, you have no right to know the private life of a teacher.

A teacher's past certainly should be known, given attendance in school is compulsory. However, I don't think having been an exotic dancer should disqualify a person.

I suspect if the divorce rate of FIRST marriages were checked in terms of professions, I would expect police officers, doctors and lawyers to be way up there at the top of that list.

Many men are EXTREMELY insecure about themselves in relation to women. Fearing losing to competition, they establish all manner of condemnatory rules and platitudes - that tend to be extremely negative towards women - and in ways they do not hold themselves accountable to themselves.

Hollywood has always fostered that notice and in many ways it is an historic view about the distinction between men and their past sexual activities and women.

Nearly all women market herself socially in terms of sexuality. That is what makeup and nearly all women's clothing is about, not just swimwear.

ChrisL said:

See my quote above? I answered it.

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You answered that you don't know. Which is another way of saying you're afraid of contradicting yourself.

ChrisL said:

Why do you say it's the parents who ruined her life? It's not. There is such a thing called personal responsibility. There are consequences for every action. Quit acting like it's the end of the world because someone can't work with children. No, everybody should NOT work with children.

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Personal responsibility does not mean that you can dictate what the consequences of the actions of others are. Personal responsibility would only apply when society has made rules that no stripper can ever be a teacher (it hasn't), and these rules are well known. An angry group of parents with pitch forks and an insanely intolerant woman on the internet do not qualify.

That would be like saying "Yeah, I threw rocks at those faggots. It's called personal responsibility, and that rock was the consequence that I decided for them."

ChrisL said:

This is completely different than making judgments about someone's religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.

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No, it's not. You're using your religious judgements to harass someone else. You're trying to make their degree worthless, and their life's work for naught. How would you like it if someone else decided you'd never be able to do your passion anymore? All based on intolerance, and not any actual effect on children?

You've still refused to explain any way this could even remotely effect children. All it's done so far is effect YOUR perceptions of the teacher.

ChrisL said:

My, such an emotional reaction. Did you even go back and edit so that you could internet yell at me some more? :lol: At least you think my morals are cute. That's saying something.

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Considering you replied hours after the 25 minute edit limit expired, that doesn't make any sense at all.

ChrisL said:

Well then, I guess you must be against sex education then? That would be teaching morality.

Also, teachers are not role models? Not authority figures that maybe SOME children might look up to and maybe want to emulate?

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Sex education doesn't teach you morality. It teaches you how sex works, what STDs are, and how to practice safe sex. With few exceptions, no teacher in sex ed class is standing there telling kids they can't have sex.

ChrisL said:

So basically, strippers are NOT good enough for you or other guys because of their questionable moral standards, however you feel they are good enough for students who are trying to learn. Hmmm.

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Are the kids marrying, dating, or ****ing the teachers? Or are they learning how to read and write? I find it astounding that you don't know the difference. How many former strippers turned teachers have given kids lap dances or molested children? I'd like numbers and sources.

ChrisL said:

It doesn't matter what the teacher suggests with words. If she or he is engaging in such behavior, then they should forfeit working with children, as children can be impressionable. There's nothing unfair about it IMO. Actions have consequences.

Of course, I don't condone or not condone their behaviors. That's their lives, but when it has to do with my child, then yes I have every right to know if someone was a former or current sex industry worker.

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To be completely honest, if you're this worried about one of your kids teachers being a former stripper, and the crazy influences this might have on your kid, you're a piss poor parent. You haven't prepared your kid for the real world at all.

Aunt Spiker said:

Right - all priests are trustworthy and all lawyers are evil . . . sound stereotypical to me.

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:shrug: I am always leery of applying absolutes. But stereotypes are generally stereotypes for a reason - and that is that the behavior demonstrated is perhaps greater than the mean. Priests are probably more likely to be trustworthy than lawyers, simply because of the incentives of their profession.

Perhaps people shouldn't break someone down to the nuts and bolts of their career when discussing important things such as having a serious relationship with said individual - you're involving yourself with a person, not their job.

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Our jobs are a huge part of what we are - and where we spend our time and who we are with impact us greatly.

ChrisL said:

It doesn't matter what the teacher suggests with words. If she or he is engaging in such behavior, then they should forfeit working with children, as children can be impressionable. There's nothing unfair about it IMO. Actions have consequences.

Of course, I don't condone or not condone their behaviors. That's their lives, but when it has to do with my child, then yes I have every right to know if someone was a former or current sex industry worker.

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That is correct - and issues like this are a good part of why I support School Choice. If Sangha High wants to have Daisy Dawn from the Catz Meow teach your 14 year old boy math.... :shrug: you should be free to take him elsewhere.