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Would you marry a stripper?

Would you marry a stripper?

  • Yes, if I believed she truly loved me for me and not because I was saving her.

    Votes: 29 43.9%

  • No, nothing but trouble there.

    Votes: 37 56.1%
  • Total voters
    66
ChrisL said:
Well then those guys are idiots. If you are paying someone to be nice to you, then that is what you are going to get. And if you delusional enough to believe that is love or any other kind of emotional attachment, then YOU are the one with issues. I use "you" generally here, not talking about you in particular.
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There's a centuries-old addage that many men tend to forget: "You can't make a hoe a housewife."

ChrisL said:
Well now, that's a little different IMO. I don't know how I personally would feel if I found out my kid's teacher was stripping. That is something I would definitely have to give some thought about.
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Given your super strict personal morality rules for teachers, that should be a no-brainer for you.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There's a centuries-old addage that many men tend to forget: "You can't make a hoe a housewife."



Given your super strict personal morality rules for teachers, that should be a no-brainer for you.
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I'm sorry, but I think that people who work with children should have to live up to high expectations.
 
ChrisL said:
I'm sorry, but I think that people who work with children should have to live up to high expectations.
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Your christian expectations, maybe. There's nothing inherently immoral about stripping if it's what she wants to do. Though given your view with the former pornstar, you should probably also believe that any woman who has ever stepped on stage to strip, no matter how long ago it was, should be banned from teaching.

DA60 said:
I did not say why the majority of guys go to exotic dance clubs - obviously to get drunk and look at naked women.

I said (in essence) the majority of guys that get multiple, private dances (say more then 3) with dancers do not understand that most of the dancers are trying to get them to fall for them so that they will keep coming back for more. Most guys tend to think that when a woman is being nice to them that they probably like them. Dancers use this to try and extract more cash. Also, the more they can get a guy to have a 'crush' on them - the less dancing they have to do and the more money they get just for sitting around talking to these guys.
These dancers realize that you cannot keep a guy hooked by being good looking as there will always be someone better looking to take the 'regular' away from you. But if you get them hooked emotionally - they will never stray as long as they think they have a chance with you.
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Strippers are actresses first, dancers second.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
If it's ok for parents to go to strip clubs - then it's ok for teacher's to perform in one :shrug: I wouldn't care . . . we've had some pretty ****ed up teachers doing ****ed up things to kids during school - and it's funny, none of them worked in a strip club.

Morality can't be judged by your late-night 'sideline career' - as DaveFagan said: normal people have problems all the time. (of course - that's a loose paraphrase)
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Like I said to RA, I think that teachers and others who work with children should have higher expectations because of the simple fact that they work with children. I don't think it's asking a lot for a teacher to NOT be involved in the sex industry.

Parents are adults and they are the parents of their children. When a teacher chooses to strip for a living, word will get out, the kids will find out eventually, and that doesn't make for a good "educational" environment IMO. This also takes away the "choice" for other parents who might have strict moral standards and who may NOT visit strip clubs.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Your christian expectations, maybe. There's nothing inherently immoral about stripping if it's what she wants to do. Though given your view with the former pornstar, you should probably also believe that any woman who has ever stepped on stage to strip, no matter how long ago it was, should be banned from teaching.
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It has nothing to do with Christian expectations. :roll: If it did, I would be against stripping entirely, but I'm not.
 
ChrisL said:
It has nothing to do with Christian expectations. :roll: If it did, I would be against stripping entirely, but I'm not.
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Well, I'm curious though. Should a woman who ever set foot on stage to strip be permanently banned from teaching? You believe that should be the case for porn, and I don't see much of a difference.
 
ChrisL said:
Well then those guys are idiots. If you are paying someone to be nice to you, then that is what you are going to get. And if you delusional enough to believe that is love or any other kind of emotional attachment, then YOU are the one with issues. I use "you" generally here, not talking about you in particular.
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They aren't/weren't usually idiots - they are usually naive and have very limited experience with women; I found they were usually above average intelligence - guys who think they can 'save' a dancer and she will be eternally grateful.

And many of these guys are average looking at best - and suddenly, women that would NEVER even give them a second look are now treating them like gold.

I am not talking about the guys that come in as a group and whoop it up on 'pervert row' (the seats right by the stage).

I am talking about the guy that comes in alone or in pairs and don't make a sound.

You see an average looking guy alone in a 'strip' bar - you can be fairly sure of two things...he is either a) looking for mileage (sexual favors) or b) he is looking for companionship. They are not usually there to just 'have fun'.

Again, this was 10-15 years ago.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well, I'm curious though. Should a woman who ever set foot on stage to strip be permanently banned from teaching? You believe that should be the case for porn, and I don't see much of a difference.
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I don't know. It depends on a case by case basis, I guess. What is wrong with expecting a higher standard when it comes to people who are working so closely with our children anyway?

It's simple. If you want to dedicate yourself to being a good teacher and a good influence on the children, you should stay out of the sex industry. It's NOT a lot to ask of someone.
 
DA60 said:
They aren't/weren't usually idiots - they are usually naive and have very limited experience with women; I found they were usually above average intelligence - guys who think they can 'save' a dancer and she will be eternally grateful.

And many of these guys are average looking at best - and suddenly, women that would NEVER even give them a second look are now treating them like gold.

I am not talking about the guys that come in as a group and whoop it up on 'pervert row' (the seats right by the stage).

I am talking about the guy that comes in alone or in pairs and don't make a sound.

You see an average looking guy alone in a 'strip' bar - you can be fairly sure of two things...he is either a) looking for mileage (sexual favors) or b) he is looking for companionship. They are not usually there to just 'have fun'.

Again, this was 10-15 years ago.
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Well so what? I guess he learned a valuable lesson. Sometimes lessons have to be learned the hard way. And again, I don't care how "naive" he might be, he must have enough sense to know what stripping is all about. It's not about love and affection.
 
DA60 said:
They aren't/weren't usually idiots - they are usually naive and have very limited experience with women; I found they were usually above average intelligence - guys who think they can 'save' a dancer and she will be eternally grateful.

And many of these guys are average looking at best - and suddenly, women that would NEVER even give them a second look are now treating them like gold.

I am not talking about the guys that come in as a group and whoop it up on 'pervert row' (the seats right by the stage).

I am talking about the guy that comes in alone or in pairs and don't make a sound.

You see an average looking guy alone in a 'strip' bar - you can be fairly sure of two things...he is either a) looking for mileage (sexual favors) or b) he is looking for companionship. They are not usually there to just 'have fun'.

Again, this was 10-15 years ago.
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The girl down the street could mess with him JUST as bad anyways.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't know. It depends on a case by case basis, I guess. What is wrong with expecting a higher standard when it comes to people who are working so closely with our children anyway?

It's simple. If you want to dedicate yourself to being a good teacher and a good influence on the children, you should stay out of the sex industry. It's NOT a lot to ask of someone.
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We're talking not just about current strippers, but people who were strippers decades ago. Maybe she was a poor 18 year old who got abandoned by her family and needed to make cash to eat. Then she decided to clean her act up and become a teacher. The same exact scenario I posed to you for a pornstar, you vehemently declared that she should be banned forever from teaching. This should be an easy decision for you.

You've shown you believe that whatever YOUR moral standard is should be law, and that any raging group of parents should be able to ruin a teacher's life.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Your christian expectations, maybe. There's nothing inherently immoral about stripping if it's what she wants to do. Though given your view with the former pornstar, you should probably also believe that any woman who has ever stepped on stage to strip, no matter how long ago it was, should be banned from teaching.



Strippers are actresses first, dancers second.
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Exactly!

You put identical twins in an exotic dance club - one can dance up a storm (but that's it), the other is a terrible dancer, but a great actress/listener.

The latter will take home FAR more money then the former - 9 times out of 10, imo.


Would rep you if I could - won't work for some reason.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
We're talking not just about current strippers, but people who were strippers decades ago. Maybe she was a poor 18 year old who got abandoned by her family and needed to make cash to eat. Then she decided to clean her act up and become a teacher. The same exact scenario I posed to you for a pornstar, you vehemently declared that she should be banned forever from teaching. This should be an easy decision for you.

You've shown you believe that whatever YOUR moral standard is should be law, and that any raging group of parents should be able to ruin a teacher's life.
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Give it a rest, will ya? I've already explained my position to you. Your turn to explain why you think it is okay for us parents to be lackadaisical when it comes to our educators.
 
DA60 said:
Exactly!

You put identical twins in an exotic dance club - one can dance up a storm, the other is a great actress/listener.

The listener will take home FAR more money then the dancer - 9 times out of 10, imo.


Would rep you if I could - won't work for some reason.
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So explain to me how this is the fault of the stripper? She is doing her job. It's obvious that you are referring to men who have emotional, insecurity or self-esteem issues.
 
ChrisL said:
Well so what? I guess he learned a valuable lesson. Sometimes lessons have to be learned the hard way. And again, I don't care how "naive" he might be, he must have enough sense to know what stripping is all about. It's not about love and affection.
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I did not say love and affection. I said talking/listening.

RapidAlpaca hit it right on the nose - strippers are actresses first, dancers second.

And there is a reason they are like that.

If most guys knew the score, it would be the other way around.
 
DA60 said:
I did not say love and affection. I said talking/listening.

RapidAlpaca hit it right on the nose - strippers are actresses first, dancers second.

And there is a reason they are like that.

If most guys knew the score, it would be the other way around.
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There is a reason they are like that. MONEY! It's their job to be friendly, to listen, to flirt, to dance and be sexy. Talk about pointing out the obvious and thinking it's something grand. :roll:
 
ChrisL said:
So explain to me how this is the fault of the stripper? She is doing her job. It's obvious that you are referring to men who have emotional, insecurity or self-esteem issues.
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Where exactly did I say it was the dancer's fault?

The answer is - I did not.


As long as they never flat out lie to the guy AND NEVER lead the patron to think that she will date him if she has zero interest in him - I have little problem with what they do.
 
I don't think they'd make much in tips if they said, "hey I don't know you, I don't care about you, just shut up and give me some money!" :lol:
 
ChrisL said:
There is a reason they are like that. MONEY! It's their job to be friendly, to listen, to flirt, to dance and be sexy. Talk about pointing out the obvious and thinking it's something grand. :roll:
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Well duh.

Where did I say that they did it for any reason other then money?

And I never thought I was pointing out 'something grand' - I was merely passing on information.


If you are going to just put words in my mouth - debate with someone else.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't think they'd make much in tips if they said, "hey I don't know you, I don't care about you, just shut up and give me some money!" :lol:
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Again - well duh.

You are missing the point entirely.
 
DA60 said:
Well duh.

Where did I say that they did it for any reason other then money?

And I never thought I was pointing out 'something grand' - I was merely passing on information.
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You seem to view men as victims here. I am pointing out to you that they are in no way victims in this situation. They are paying to enter a strip club, tipping strippers to "play" with them. You keep pointing out the fact that these women are playing with the men too, everyone knows this. If they don't, then they are going to learn it. That is not the fault of any particular person, it's just life.


If you are going to just put words in my mouth - debate with someone else.
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No one asked you to respond to any of posts. Please don't delude yourself into thinking that it makes any difference to me one way or another. No games here. :)
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ChrisL said:
Give it a rest, will ya? I've already explained my position to you. Your turn to explain why you think it is okay for us parents to be lackadaisical when it comes to our educators.
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What legal profession a teacher had before she was a teacher is none of your business.
 
DA60 said:
What legal profession a teacher had before she was a teacher is none of your business.
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When that person is teaching my child and has a "relationship" (as so many teachers seem to claim) with my child, then it most certainly IS MY BUSINESS. Anyone who is around my child on a daily basis is my business.
 
Do we include male strippers in this thread?

If so..no...

My friend went to see the ''Dream boys'' and was invited upon the stage to pull his G-string off with her teeth..

As she was doing it..the elastic broke..twanging her in the eye...

Next day her eye was red and swollen..and remained so for 5 days before she decided to go to the doctors..

Using a strong lense..he said..''Ah yes..I can see what the problem is..you have a crab stuck to your eyelash...

Eeeww eeeww eeeew!
 
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