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Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

Do you know what "patient dumping" refers to?


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Having actually spent time in England, Liverpool, and spoken with a wide slice of brits from retired to 20 somethings, I envy the British system. When my wife had strep throat we were seen quickly and politely, when we attempted to pay at the end, as we unnecessarily explained we are Americans, the staff said no charge, even for yanks.

:shrug: having spent time in Japan, and spoken with a moderate slice of people who utilize the Single-Payer system here, we sure as heck don't. My wife, for example, is about 7 months pregnant, and is very happy that she will be delivering in an American medical system (where you get pain med's), as opposed to the Japanese one (where you don't - they're expensive, you know).

back in the states 'quality' healthcare seems a bit much of a claim, long wait times even with an appointment, hurried examinations, mumbled talk of tests, and out the door. Heaven help ya if you don't have insurance, you will spend all day waiting.

The truth is in the numbers - Americans receive greater access to higher quality medicine than Britain, Canada, or the competitors. Whether it is preventative screenings, MRI's, cancer survival rates, what-have-you, Americans get more, and the more that they get is better.

Expensive health care I'll agree with. But I guess quality, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder... :peace

... except that this one comes with metrics :)
 
:shrug: having spent time in Japan, and spoken with a moderate slice of people who utilize the Single-Payer system here, we sure as heck don't. My wife, for example, is about 7 months pregnant, and is very happy that she will be delivering in an American medical system (where you get pain med's), as opposed to the Japanese one (where you don't - they're expensive, you know). The truth is in the numbers - Americans receive greater access to higher quality medicine than Britain, Canada, or the competitors. Whether it is preventative screenings, MRI's, cancer survival rates, what-have-you, Americans get more, and the more that they get is better.... except that this one comes with metrics :)

Your wife is receiving 'American medical system' care, you mean like civilians do here in the states or MILITARY care which is a world of care different. An E-3 I know, a 43 alpha, his wife just dropped a kid. Was rather sad she didn't get to keep her civilian doctor and had to go with a military assigned one. Here in Oklahoma pain killers are cheaper than anti-biotics for some odd reason, so not sure if the actual cost of the drug is what drives the Japanese system.

In England, the place where you made the wait claims and apparently don't have much experience with, the Brits I know have a tiered system. Very few Brits are 'basic' health care patients. Most have 'riders' that upgrade their service. They really seem to like that system, basic for all and the ability to have better care if you buy an upgrade.

The truth is and many reports and surveys done by professionals show we Americans pay the most for a very uneven level of care. We Americans get more and better only if we pay a great deal of money for that 'improved' level of care. Screenings? cancer survival rates? Life expectancy?
 
Yep, I do - and the practice is a lot older than you might think.

It's just a different (and more radical!) form than it took decades ago when hospitals were first required to treat people in the ER. Many hospitals would put people in a taxi and send them over to the nearest shelter or publicly funded hospital. Prior to the 80's it was sometimes done when a hospital admitted a patient then found out their insurance was no good - but many people died in ER parking lots and waiting rooms, too, because the hospital knew right up front they didn't have insurance. This kind of BS is the main reason I stick up for UHC. I've seen first hand what happens when we don't have it and hospitals pick and choose their patients.

Patient dumping has been around for decades.
 
Rationing would be a reality and I've seen more than one UHC proponent say that not only will it occur, it should. When Dick Cheney got a heart transplant, several people commented on how a 70 something year old should never have gotten a new heart.

Rationing should occur.....BUT....lets be careful here, super careful..
I'm 73 , Cheneys age, and IMO, I am as good as he.
Most would disagree, and for good reason....
Death panel ?? ...I have VA care, this has never been mentioned, BUT, I do have a "living will"..
For certain, we cannot have conservative extremists dictating our health care....nor liberal extremists....
Health care...we should copy the German system, they have had two centuries to perfect their "socialistic" health care system..
 
You know what health "insurance" denies more claims than any other? Medicare.
Quite understandable....I have seen where doctors and hospital overcharge horribily...these claims should be denied....if this is true..
 
Having actually spent time in England, Liverpool, and spoken with a wide slice of brits from retired to 20 somethings, I envy the British system. When my wife had strep throat we were seen quickly and politely, when we attempted to pay at the end, as we unnecessarily explained we are Americans, the staff said no charge, even for yanks.

back in the states 'quality' healthcare seems a bit much of a claim, long wait times even with an appointment, hurried examinations, mumbled talk of tests, and out the door. Heaven help ya if you don't have insurance, you will spend all day waiting.

Expensive health care I'll agree with. But I guess quality, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder... :peace
To me, this post has far greater meaning than those of wealthy conservatives....
Thank you...
And, yes, our health care system can be improved, by a ton....it may be fine for the rich....frankly, I care not an iota about them....its the people..
 
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