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Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

Should the Cuban Embargo be ended?

  • No. We cannot cooperate in making Communism successful 90 miles from the US coast

    Votes: 4 9.8%

  • Yes. Its time to end the Cuban Embargo.

    Votes: 31 75.6%

  • Yes, but with limits, restrictions and tarrifs.

    Votes: 5 12.2%

  • Yes, but lets do it with democrats in power owning the backlash from the Cuban exile community.

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Total voters
    41
Dragonfly said:
It's very difficult to take you serious when you post something of this nature. So I must ask - are you serious?
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Let me guess, your are the atheist anti-religion type that thinks the mention of God is a sign of mental instability.

If not, then if you believe in God, then you also believe that Satan is the wellspring of evil. Socialism is evil, therefore it could only have been brought to mankind through the work of Satan. Ok, calling Marx a disciple of Satan my be an exaggeration, I have no knowledge of his actual religious affiliations/beliefs, but there is absolutely no doubt that through the creation of socialism, he was indeed doing Satan's work.

As to not fearing Socialist, "The Lord is my Shepherd,....yeah though I walk through the valley of Death, I shall fear no evil."

"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord,
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on."
 
DVSentinel said:
It was never a scare, other than the nukes they had. It was just a target rich environment of evil souls waiting to be harvested and sent on their way to hell. It will remain such until such time as there is no longer an adult individual left preaching the sermons of Satan's disciple, Marx.
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Satan and Marx... Ohhh ahhh scary :scared:
 
The Cuban Embargo is an outdated policy that has failed in its original purpose and has long since outlived any secondary purpose it once might have served. As such, it probably should be lifted.

I doubt that it will happen, however; so long as staunchly anti-Castro Cuban American voters continue to play such a major role in US partisan politics and elections.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
I would respect a countries sovereignty and not put in power an embargo, and realize the world is not my countries and my countries corporations playground.
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in other words, you would do absolutely nothing about the blatant theft by the Castro regime.

the good news is, you wouldn't be reelected.
 
Thrilla said:
in other words, you would do absolutely nothing about the blatant theft by the Castro regime.

the good news is, you wouldn't be reelected.
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Theft? How is it theft? Its called national sovereignty.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Theft? How is it theft? Its called national sovereignty.
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nationalization without compensation.... Castro nationalized property that was rightfully and lawfully paid for by the owners... he offered no compensation in return for the property he confiscated.

that's theft, no matter how you slice it.
 
cpwill said:
When the Castros are gone and their replacements open up their governance so as to extend rights to their people... sure.
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We agree! :shock:
 
0bserver92 said:
Well it will let them see North American culture in the products they import thus making them embrace ideas like democracy and freedom. When you import goods form America you import culture and values. Canada has a good relation but the only thing we send to Cuba is a crapton of tourists.
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Apparently you export more than that ...

Exports:
$5.6 billion (2012 est.)
country comparison to the world: 109
$6.041 billion (2011 est.)

Exports - commodities:
petroleum, nickel, medical products, sugar, tobacco, fish, citrus, coffee

Exports - partners:
China 24.8%, Canada 21.5%, Venezuela 7.1%, Netherlands 7.1%, Spain 6.5% (2011)

Imports:
$13.68 billion (2012 est.)
country comparison to the world: 90
$13.96 billion (2011 est.)

Imports - commodities:
petroleum, food, machinery and equipment, chemicals

Imports - partners:
Venezuela 37.4%, China 9.8%, Spain 8.4%, Brazil 5.2%, Canada 4.4% (2011)
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https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cu.html


And how long have you been doing this?
What changes have been made in that time?

ernst barkmann said:
although i hate communism, i dont like the idea of exporting democracy .........which is another vile form of government....lets export ...true republican government.

but i do feel that opening up free markets to Cuba, will bring down communism in that country.
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Mr. Invisible said:
Through history trade between nations has not just been a trade in goods, but also a trade in ideas, customs, and the like. That's what Observer92 is saying.
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All three of you seem to be assuming the Cuban government would allow just anything and anyone to come into the country. I don't think that would happen at all with the current government. If things would actually change from trade than why has trade with Canada and others had no or little effect?
 
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Helix said:
I always argue that the cure for oppressive regimes is blue jeans and rock and roll. when people start seeing what they are missing out on, those who are keeping them from it tend to get tossed out.
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Cuba isn't the USSR with a border a thousand miles long for things to pass through. If our culture was going to seep into Cuba it would have done so by now, considering how close it is. The fact that is apparently hasn't speaks volumes.
 
upsideguy said:
Thank you, Jimmy Carter. I'm not sure I have seen human rights as the foundation of foreign policy in 40 years. That said, though Cuba is near the bottom of the barrel on human rights, we have relationships with nations further down the spectrum. The US isn't exactly lilly-white on the subject itself. Sorry, this sounds like rationalization.

Country Ranking Table 2007
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9th down on the list in terms of human rights. That doesn't look so good.
 
Smeagol said:
Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo? Should it be ended but with conditions such as tariffs on Cuban imports and fees to protect the US tourism industry from new competition as vacationers may want to see Cuba rather than the Keys, Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands for their next tropical snowbird winter getaway?

FYI: To bring a little political dynamic light to the issue, the Cuban embargo continues to this day due in large part to political pressure from the Cuban-American exile community in Florida. Because of resentment toward John F. Kennedy over his backing out of the Bay Of Pigs invasion while it was in progress and later to a smaller extent resentment toward Bill Clinton over his handling of the Elian Gonzalez case, the Cuban-American exile community in Florida is a reliable Republican voting block and the only solid Hispanic GOP voting block. Depending upon which side the Republican party is seen lining up on this issue, it could sway the Cuban-American exile community away from the GOP, cost the GOP Congressional seats and potentially the White House in future years with the third largest Electoral College prize and largest of the swing states.
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I think it is probably time to do away with it. During the cold war it was needed. I can remember the Cuban Missile crisis and the Bay of Pigs. I remember Castro sending his soldiers to fight on the commie side of things in Africa. But with the breaking apart of the USSR and the end of the cold war, it is time.
 
Perotista said:
I think it is probably time to do away with it. During the cold war it was needed. I can remember the Cuban Missile crisis and the Bay of Pigs. I remember Castro sending his soldiers to fight on the commie side of things in Africa. But with the breaking apart of the USSR and the end of the cold war, it is time.
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Yup. The most devastating thing we could do to the Cuban regime would be to encourage Wal-Mart to open several stores there. Good evening, Pero.:2wave:
 
Jack Hays said:
Yup. The most devastating thing we could do to the Cuban regime would be to encourage Wal-Mart to open several stores there. Good evening, Pero.:2wave:
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Howdy Jack, I got a big laugh when I read your post. I hope things are going well for you.
 
Weird how the military doesn't have to abide by the embargo to operate Gitmo.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Apparently you export more than that ...

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cu.html


And how long have you been doing this?
What changes have been made in that time?

All three of you seem to be assuming the Cuban government would allow just anything and anyone to come into the country. I don't think that would happen at all with the current government. If things would actually change from trade than why has trade with Canada and others had no or little effect?
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see post #18 for further details.
 
Jack Hays said:
All very well indeed. You? Plans for the big move still on track?:cool:
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Not quite. Lots of unforeseen things has taken place. But the move across the pond is a coming.
 
Jack Hays said:
Yup. The most devastating thing we could do to the Cuban regime would be to encourage Wal-Mart to open several stores there. Good evening, Pero.:2wave:
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Funny!

I recall seeing a documentary a while back where things like toilet paper and femine hygiene products were rationed and ever enough. I don't see how doing that to the people of Cuba helps America.
 
I saw a great PBS show on Cuba and the overall environment on that island.
It was speculated that should the USofA lift it's restrictions, "we'd" spoil/pollute vast portions of the island with golf courses, resorts, and tourism.

Hard to think that speculation would be incorrect based on recent history.
 
Dragonfly said:
I saw a great PBS show on Cuba and the overall environment on that island.
It was speculated that should the USofA lift it's restrictions, "we'd" spoil/pollute vast portions of the island with golf courses, resorts, and tourism.

Hard to think that speculation would be incorrect based on recent history.
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Wherever golf courses, resorts and tourism go, civilization follows.:cool:
 
Rainman05 said:
Why bother. People like JayZ and beyonce can just ignore the embargo and go to Cuba whenever they want ignoring the US rules about travelling to Cuba.

Its not like the USA has any means to enforce their laws.


Economically, meh, who cares. The US can't really benefit a lot from its trade with Cuba except maybe coffee...
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And beautiful cigars....and delicious rum.....the latter two are pretty damn good reasons for me to end the embargo. :mrgreen:
 
Jack Hays said:
Wherever golf courses, resorts and tourism go, civilization follows.:cool:
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By civilization you mean depleted and/or destroyed natural resources, pollution, over-commercialization, and over-crowding?
 
Dragonfly said:
By civilization you mean depleted and/or destroyed natural resources, pollution, over-commercialization, and over-crowding?
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Please go wring your hands somewhere else. :yawn:

Golf courses, resorts and tourism will help the Cuban people overcome the economic devastation to which they have been subjected in recent decades. Throw in some Havana nightlife and casino gambling, add charter sport fishing and modernized agriculture, and within 20 years the most frequently asked question will be: "Fidel who?":mrgreen:
 
No, I believe it would be another source of waves of illegal immigrants.
 
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