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"The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

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I would venture to say there are more like him.

I'm shocked that a case of a "doctor" killing children through means not even suitable for the harshest of criminals isn't more widespread in the media.

I'm very disappointed by the brazen shaping of the news to suit a political agenda...by the lack of journalistic scruples here.
 
We had a Doctor in Las Vegas who ran a mass production colonoscopy clinic.
Thing is, he didn't want to wate time or money on sterilizing anything. Eventually, he was caught and his staff eagerly testified against him.

Assembly-line colonoscopies at clinic described - Las Vegas Sun News

His employees kept quiet for thousands of procedures.

So, yeah, there are some very bad medical people. I don't personally know anybody who hasn't heard of this Gosnell case, at least vaguely. I suspect it's all too common.

Mitigating infanicide ..

Nice. The left are such classy people.

You folks would justify down the murder on a grand scale if it fit your narratives. Oh wait, your'e currebtly doing that.
 
It's interesting how many people are ignoring this thread.
 
What's the problem? The women went to Gosnell to have their babies killed. He did it. Yes, he's disgusting, and the manner he went about the killings and the treatment of the women was deplorable, but exactly how does one dress up murder to make it acceptable? Let's see....
 
It's interesting how many people are ignoring this thread.

Stop playing these games, in no way what this guy did give any credence to an argument for making abortion illegal. Because he wasn't preforming abortions, he was murdering children, and no pro-choice person is for that, obviously, and to suggest otherwise is just silly.

Try this bastard, and give him the worst possible punishment, and anyone who helped him as well.
 
Stop playing these games, in no way what this guy did give any credence to an argument for making abortion illegal. Because he wasn't preforming abortions, he was murdering children, and no pro-choice person is for that, obviously, and to suggest otherwise is just silly.

Try this bastard, and give him the worst possible punishment, and anyone who helped him as well.

Thank you for saying something. And it's not a game.... it's painfully obvious how many people are ignoring this topic.

And the question was.... do you think there are more abortion doctors out there like Gosnell? And if so, what do we need to do about it?
 
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The more you restrict it, the more they will go elsewhere, that's the unintended consequence.


What would be your "perfect world" approach to abortion? No restrictions at all? Or some? What would they be?

I think anytime roadblocks are put in place in order to stop women from having abortions, the dynamics are put in place to create more "Gosnells." These roadblocks include closing down clinics, wait times and sonograms. There will always be an enterprising person willing to forgo those restrictions.
 
What are you - an AI?

I told a story about something that happened in my home town.

Your reply is just ridiculous. Better check your software.



Mitigating infanicide ..

Nice. The left are such classy people.

You folks would justify down the murder on a grand scale if it fit your narratives. Oh wait, your'e currebtly doing that.
 
Thank you for saying something. And it's not a game.... it's painfully obvious how many people are ignoring this topic.

And the question was.... do you think there are more abortion doctors out there like Gosnell? And if so, what do we need to do about it?

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Chance are there could be more like Gosnell and it would willfully ignorant to suggest there aren't. We have to count on inspections and people reporting criminal activity to the authorities. There were multiple failures by agencies that should have closed him down long ago.

The answer, as with other state agencies which fail in their job to protect citizens from criminals, is prosecute, clean out make people do their jobs. Not to further restrict abortion.
 
Stop playing these games, in no way what this guy did give any credence to an argument for making abortion illegal. Because he wasn't preforming abortions, he was murdering children, and no pro-choice person is for that, obviously, and to suggest otherwise is just silly.

Try this bastard, and give him the worst possible punishment, and anyone who helped him as well.

Killing children is exactly what abortion is, and it is exactly what those on the “pro-choice” side defend. Dr. Gosnell is no more evil than all other abortionists, and all others who defend and support them.
 
Thank you for saying something. And it's not a game.... it's painfully obvious how many people are ignoring this topic.

And the question was.... do you think there are more abortion doctors out there like Gosnell? And if so, what do we need to do about it?

Other than recognizing the obvious truth of what abortion is, and treating every instance of it in the manner appropriate to a crime of that magnitude, what is there to do about those like Dr. Gosnell? When an innocent child is murdered, does it really matter in the least whether this murder was carried out in the nice, neat, orderly manner of a “legitimate” abortionist rather than in the sloppy, gruesome manner of Dr. Gosnell? Either way, the result is the same—an innocent child has been killed, who ought to have been allowed to live. All abortionists are murderers of the very worst, very most evil sort, and all of them belong in prison, on death row. Dr. Gosnell is no better or worse than any other abortionist.
 
Thank you for saying something. And it's not a game.... it's painfully obvious how many people are ignoring this topic.

And the question was.... do you think there are more abortion doctors out there like Gosnell? And if so, what do we need to do about it?

But the question should have been "do you think there are more doctors out there like Gosnell?" This is a gross case of medical malpractice and negligent homicide by an unlicensed practitioner passing himself off as a physician. There are been all too many phony doctors, using contaminated equipment and procedures they are not competent to perform. Off the top of my head I can think of two "plastic surgeons" and several "general practitioners" who went on for years before wreaking enough distruction to come to the attention of law enforcement. Most of those stories were barely blips on cable news radar.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I suspect that if Gosnell had been doing any kind of criminally negligent procedure other than abortion, this thread would not exist. Just calling it like I see it. :shrug:
 
I'm going out on a limb here, but I suspect that if Gosnell had been doing any kind of criminally negligent procedure other than abortion, this thread would not exist. Just calling it like I see it. :shrug:

Well, cutting off the heads of newborn babies does put a different spin on it, doesn't it?
 
Well, cutting off the heads of newborn babies does put a different spin on it, doesn't it?

Not unless the only reason this filthy piece of crap is important is because he performed abortions, rather than other procedures. The debate over when late-term abortions should be performed and under which circumstances is a discussion for another thread, and is in my mind too important to hitch onto someone everyone can agree is guilty of several crimes, not the least of which is practicing without a license.
 
Not unless the only reason this filthy piece of crap is important is because he performed abortions, rather than other procedures.

If you honestly think I would've been LESS disgusted if this man had been some other kind of doctor who was cutting off the heads of infants, then you don't know me very well.

If there is a chance there are more doctors out there like this man who is killing children, we need to do something about it. We cannot let these clinics go without inspection for years on end like this guy's clinic was. Yes, in my perfect world, abortion would be incredibly rare and prosecuted if need-be. I know that's not likely to happen anytime soon. But I'm certainly willing to push for more regulations on the abortion industry to ensure that evil like this isn't allowed to exist.
 
If you honestly think I would've been LESS disgusted if this man had been some other kind of doctor who was cutting off the heads of infants, then you don't know me very well.

If there is a chance there are more doctors out there like this man who is killing children, we need to do something about it. We cannot let these clinics go without inspection for years on end like this guy's clinic was. Yes, in my perfect world, abortion would be incredibly rare and prosecuted if need-be. I know that's not likely to happen anytime soon. But I'm certainly willing to push for more regulations on the abortion industry to ensure that evil like this isn't allowed to exist.

You answered your own question, Josie. "We cannot let clinics go without inspection for years on end..." The outraged should be directed at the officials who shirked their duty to protect the Gosnell's patients. If they had done that, he would have been shut down in the 80's.
 
And yet there are those who are able to rationalize what Gosnell has done, which is to commit infanticide. Cpwill posted in the Abortion forum from an article in the British Medical Journal:

...Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible. In spite of the oxymoron in the expression, we propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide’, to emphasise that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus (on which ‘abortions’ in the traditional sense are performed) rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk. Accordingly, a second terminological specification is that we call such a practice ‘after-birth abortion’ rather than ‘euthanasia’ because the best interest of the one who dies is not necessarily the primary criterion for the choice, contrary to what happens in the case of euthanasia.... After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

Killing a newborn could be ethically permissable in all the circumstances where abortion would be?
 
And yet there are those who are able to rationalize what Gosnell has done, which is to commit infanticide. Cpwill posted in the Abortion forum from an article in the British Medical Journal:



Killing a newborn could be ethically permissable in all the circumstances where abortion would be?

I have not rationalized what Gosnell did. There is no rationalizing horrific, criminal acts like his.

That is not abortion and regardless of that opinion, it is infanticide. It is an outlier. An extreme and very disgusting position.
 
Gina, I didn't say, nor did I intend to imply, that you have rationalized.
 
"Pennsylvania, like other states, permits legal abortion within a regulatory framework. Physicians must, for example, provide counseling about the nature of the procedure. Minors must have parental or judicial consent. All women must wait 24 hours after first visiting the facility, in order to fully consider their decision. But Gosnell's compliance with such requirements was casual at best. At the Women's Medical Society, the only question that really mattered was whether you had the cash. Too young? No problem. Didn't want to wait? Gosnell provided same-day service".​

So it is your argument that the burden of providing counseling over the nature of the abortion procedure is what pushed Gosnell to behead children?


Well.... it's a theory.




As to the OP; i would say that there are very likely indeed to be many more facilities where illegal murders of children after abortion take place.
 
I have not rationalized what Gosnell did. There is no rationalizing horrific, criminal acts like his.

Sure there is. Nota Bene posted just such a rationalization.

That is not abortion and regardless of that opinion, it is infanticide.

:shrug: killing a child a few inches outside the womb is morally indistinguishable from killing the same child a few minutes earlier inside the womb.


It is an outlier. An extreme and very disgusting position.

Well I'm glad to see you think so - I agree. But I do have to ask, if you believe that this notion is extreme and disgusting, did you vote for the guy who defended it?
 
Dang, you just made my morning.
Ignoratio elenchi, also known as irrelevant conclusion, is the informal fallacy of presenting an argument that may or may not be logically valid, but fails nonetheless to address the issue in question.

Ignoratio elenchi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cut the bull**** sangha and quit trying to change the subject.

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Sure there is. Nota Bene posted just such a rationalization.



:shrug: killing a child a few inches outside the womb is morally indistinguishable from killing the same child a few minutes earlier inside the womb.




Well I'm glad to see you think so - I agree. But I do have to ask, if you believe that this notion is extreme and disgusting, did you vote for the guy who defended it?

No, she posted a weird, disgusting outlier of an opinion that is beyond law as is your example of inches. Gosnell violated the law. There is no rationalization of that CP.

CP, read your own link as to what he objected to. It's in the bottom portion. There were protections already in place. Santorum tried this argument in 2011 and it was found "Pants on Fire". PolitiFact | Rick Santorum said Obama said "any child" born prematurely "can be killed"
 
Do you think there are more Kermit Gosnells in this country? (If you don't know the story, you need to know...)

Abortion Doctor Trial: Coverage of Kermit Gosnell Case Sparks Debate

If so, what should be done about this?

Well, I can't really vote.

Are there probably other doctors like him? I'd wager so.

Does that mean he's not an anomaly? No. An anamoly is not necessarily "one of a kind." It's just very unusual.

I would say he's probably very unusual. I say "probably" based mostly on the fact that I've seen any number of abortion clinics over the years, because I've been involved with pro-choice organizations and I have friends who work in or with these kinds of clinics.

But, on the other hand, as I mentioned in some of the threads about this guy, the inspections process in the US is completely broken. Not just for doctors, either. Infrastructure, OSHA -- they're all just complete crap.

With no meaningful inspections going on in this country, and given that I don't trust the reports, it's hard for me to say how common it is or isn't. But it runs contrary to my experience.
 
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