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"The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

Vote:

  • Yes, there probably are more abortion doctors like Gosnell

    Votes: 23 79.3%

  • No, Gosnell is an anomaly

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • Total voters
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Redress said:
You asked if I meant something I did not say, imply, suggest, or was any way related to what I did say.
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Now YOU are putting words in MY mouth. I didn't imply anything. It was a QUESTION. Obviously you'd rather divert the conversation instead of talking/thinking about the topic.
 
pbrauer said:
Those words are not my words, I'm pro choice, but I could never recommend a woman getting an abortion. And I would hope that woman thinks long and hard about her decision to get one.
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Would you add an ending to that sentence, please?

And I would hope that woman thinks long and hard about her decision to get one because....
 
Josie said:
Now YOU are putting words in MY mouth. I didn't imply anything. It was a QUESTION. Obviously you'd rather divert the conversation instead of talking/thinking about the topic.
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It was a "do you still beat your wife?" question
 
Josie said:
Would you add an ending to that sentence, please?

And I would hope that woman thinks long and hard about her decision to get one because....
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She may regret her decision.
 
pbrauer said:
She may regret her decision.
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I honestly think the insinuation that most women don't think about it ludicrous and insulting. Why do you think regret rates are reasonably low? Abortion requires you to do something, and spend a lot of money to do it. Simply staying pregnant doesn't.

I really don't understand how people's heads are working when they think about a theoretical woman getting an abortion.
 
Josie said:
I don't spend much time there anymore because it sickens me to hear these women talk about killing their unborn children and trying to justify it any way they can. I did spend a lot of time there when I first registered here, though..... there were people posting there that aren't here anymore....if that helps you.



So would you agree with me that an abortion at any stage is the killing of human life?

For the record, I wouldn't call it "mercy killing" either because it's not like the child is in any danger or in pain or anything. It's just that the mother doesn't want to carry the child, the mother thinks she cannot be a good mother, the mother thinks that she doesn't have the finances to take care of a child... whatever the reason may be.

To me, (and this will probably piss people off, but I don't care), most women who have abortions make that decision based on selfishness. "I don't want to be a mother." "I don't have the money to spend on a baby." "I want to have a career without having to take care of a child." "I don't want to be a single mother." And they know they're killing their baby, which is why they have to "think long and hard about it" and realize it's a "moral conundrum." They know exactly what they're doing - it tugs at their heart - it tugs at their moral compass - but they do it anyway. *sigh*
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As I said, I've spent a fair amount of time in the Abortion forum and I think I know most of the pro-choice women who used to or still post there and I haven't seen any cheerleading for abortion.

You are welcome to your opinion. May I ask, do you actually know anyone who has had an abortion? More than one woman?
 
Gina said:
As I said, I've spent a fair amount of time in the Abortion forum and I think I know most of the pro-choice women who used to or still post there and I haven't seen any cheerleading for abortion.

You are welcome to your opinion. May I ask, do you actually know anyone who has had an abortion? More than one woman?
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Again, the cheerleading I saw was from people who aren't on the forum anymore. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it never happened.

No, none of my friends or family have had abortions (that I know of).
 
Josie said:
I don't spend much time there anymore because it sickens me to hear these women talk about killing their unborn children and trying to justify it any way they can. I did spend a lot of time there when I first registered here, though..... there were people posting there that aren't here anymore....if that helps pyou.



So would you agree with me that an abortion at any stage is the killing of human life?

For the record, I wouldn't call it "mercy killing" either because it's not like the child is in any danger or in pain or anything. It's just that the mother doesn't want to carry the child, the mother thinks she cannot be a good mother, the mother thinks that she doesn't have the finances to take care of a child... whatever the reason may be.

To me, (and this will probably piss people off, but I don't care), most women who have abortions make that decision based on selfishness. "I don't want to be a mother." "I don't have the money to spend on a baby." "I want to have a career without having to take care of a child." "I don't want to be a single mother." And they know they're killing their baby, which is why they have to "think long and hard about it" and realize it's a "moral conundrum." They know exactly what they're doing - it tugs at their heart - it tugs at their moral compass - but they do it anyway. *sigh*
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Do you know that many on the pro-choice side get worked up because the pro-life side is against birth control. I don't know your feeling on the issue, but it's impossible to get an abortion if you're not pregnant.
 
pbrauer said:
Do you know that many on the pro-choice side get worked up because the pro-life side is against birth control. I don't know your feeling on the issue, but it's impossible to get an abortion if you're not pregnant.
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Pro-lifers are against birth control? Huh?
 
Gina said:
As I said, I've spent a fair amount of time in the Abortion forum and I think I know most of the pro-choice women who used to or still post there and I haven't seen any cheerleading for abortion.

You are welcome to your opinion. May I ask, do you actually know anyone who has had an abortion? More than one woman?
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I do. Several, actually.

And Gina, there is one "regular" in the Abortion forum who hasn't posted in the last several days who has referred to a fetus as "garbage" (as well as an invading parasite intent on draining the lifeforce from a woman, etc. Ugly stuff, no matter what your POV).
 
nota bene said:
I do. Several, actually.

And Gina, there is one "regular" in the Abortion forum who hasn't posted in the last several days who has referred to a fetus as "garbage" (as well as an invading parasite intent on draining the lifeforce from a woman, etc. Ugly stuff, no matter what your POV).
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Yes, I've seen unborn children referred to as "parasites" many times in the Abortion forum.
 
pbrauer said:
Yes, some are. Pro-life Catholics are.
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Yes, SOME are. You said....

pbrauer said:
Do you know that many on the pro-choice side get worked up because the pro-life side is against birth control. I don't know your feeling on the issue, but it's impossible to get an abortion if you're not pregnant.
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And some of those opposed to abortion rights have called anyone who disagrees with them mass murderers and compared them to Hitler.

The fact that some pro-choice people make mistakes doesn't mean that abortion is wrong, just as the fact abortion isn't right because some pro-life people make mistakes.
 
Hilarious that pro-lifers are using this case as an argument against legalized abortion or as a cautionary tale against abortion.

The bottom line is that Gosnell was a nutcase who broke the law and was as unethical and predatory as a doctor can get. His actions are a reflection of who he is as a person and it's incredibly sad that so many women and children suffered at his hands. His actions are not, however, a reflection of legalized abortion and the responsible medical practices that go along with it, no matter how hard people try to turn into that.
 
Josie said:
How do you know it's not common?
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Show me it is. Until you do I have no reason to believe it is. However, given the current state of abortion in the US, there is no reason for it to be common. All facts point to it being an anomaly - these facts being:

- the legality of abortion in the US - legal in all 51 states.
- the pricing of abortion - affordable to the overwhelming majority of citizens.
- the penalties involved in performing legal abortions - quite harsh.

However, the burden of proof is on those insinuating this is common. Not on those who don't entertain such a ridiculous notion. As it stands, historical patterns show that if abortion were to be made illegal - cases like this would become pretty common and far less of a media circus attraction. Just look at drugs, alcohol and every other banned good & service out there.
 
Josie said:
It's interesting how many people are ignoring this thread.
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What you don't realize is that many people don't see the significance in this story that you do. Once you realize that, you'll understand why this thread isn't getting as much attention as you expected.
 
sangha said:
The fact that some pro-choice people make mistakes doesn't mean that abortion is wrong
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Of course it does. When you get an abortion, you're literally hiring someone to kill your unborn child. If that child was a few months older, you'd call it murder. If that child was a few years older, you'd call the mother a psychopath, evil killer and want the book thrown at her. The fact that the child has just begun to grow doesn't mean he/she is any less a human.

Just because you made a "mistake" doesn't give you the right to take an unborn child's life.....except that very thing is legal here in the U.S. Chilling.
 
Josie said:
Of course it does. When you get an abortion, you're literally hiring someone to kill your unborn child. If that child was a few months older, you'd call it murder. If that child was a few years older, you'd call the mother a psychopath, evil killer and want the book thrown at her. The fact that the child has just begun to grow doesn't mean he/she is any less a human.

Just because you made a "mistake" doesn't give you the right to take an unborn child's life.....except that very thing is legal here in the U.S. Chilling.
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I was referring to the arguments that people make to support their position. The fact that some people make poor arguments doesn't mean that abortion is right or wrong. It just means that this individuals argument is wrong.

And every woman has the right to take an unborn childs life. So you're wrong about that too.
 
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