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Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.

Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.

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DVSentinel said:
I totally and completely disagree. Discrimination based upon immoral behavior is indeed completely moral and is compatible with a moral lifestyle.
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Morality is relative. Therefore, your comment is invalid.
 
DVSentinel said:
Right and wrong are determined by ethical/moral determinations. Since morals and ethics are personal codes of behavior, each individual will decide if it is right or wrong. Since I don't support the "normalizing" of homosexuality, and consider it immoral behavior outside of certain conditions, I have no problem at all with them blocking homosexuals from their private organization. If someone doesn't like it, then don't support them. There is never a good excuse to force others to accept another persons moral/ethical beliefs.
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Do you realize that the comment I placed in bold contradicts everything else you said?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Do you realize that the comment I placed in bold contradicts everything else you said?
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It does? Ok, if you say so, but personally I don't see how expressing my opinion and supporting those who share it or similar is in anyway forcing my morals or ethics on someone else. Even the boy scouts, which it is voluntary to join, not mandatory, are not forcing anything upon anyone, don't agree, don't join.
 
DVSentinel said:
It does? Ok, if you say so, but personally I don't see how expressing my opinion and supporting those who share it or similar is in anyway forcing my morals or ethics on someone else. Even the boy scouts, which it is voluntary to join, not mandatory, are not forcing anything upon anyone, don't agree, don't join.
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That's a different matter. Of course they have the option of whether to join or not. But if they do join, they are forced to accept another's morals/ethics. And, if they are NOT gay, but want to accept gays into their troop, the have to accept another's morals/ethics. I agree with what you said in most of your post, and I don't have an issue with the Boy Scouts choosing who they will accept, since they are a private organization. But they ARE forcing their morals on whomever joins.
 
rocket88 said:
You know those Navy guys


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Judging from NP's post history, he seems to be very concerned about sexuality. I understand that. He spent 20 plus years under "rum, buggery and the lash". He's just a hunka, hunka burning love. And that's OK. We should give him all the positive support we can. I mean as long as he doesn't want to become a priest.
 
Nobody should force the boy scouts to do anything, although I believe they should include gays. But I do have to ask: If boy scouts said no black boys would you have the same opinion? As controversial as it is, I would say yes. But I cannot imagine them doing so--racism is simply not tolerable like that any more, for any reason. Hopefully in the next few generations bigotry based on gender will be just as intolerable.
 
MoSurveyor said:
I usually follow your thinking but I don't here. Isn't the BSofA registered as a non-profit as opposed to a religion?
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Yes....but if a non-profit chooses to discriminate they should lose their tax exempt status.
 
Navy Pride said:
Please give your opinion and no personal attacks.
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If we think we can trust female heterosexual teachers to teach boys, and male heterosexual teachers to teach girls, I don't see why we shouldn't allow homosexual males to teach boys and homosexual females to teach girls.

I don't think a sense of responsibility towards underage people you're guiding or teaching has anything to do with sexual orientation, and I don't believe homosexuals can be trusted less to have this sense of responsibility in general, than heterosexuals.
 
I just have a question for parents who are up in arms about this: When do you begin to let go and teach your kids about tolerance and the real world? Are you gonna call the school and demand the gay kid is removed? Later on, when they're assigned a gay roommate, are you gonna call the college and demand a room swap? Maybe call your kid's first boss and demand the worker of 40 years in the next cubicle is fired? The whole thing is too ridiculous. Over protection has consequences, and for those saying "Well you aren't in the scouts/military/whatever, why do you care?" it's something called empathy.
 
disneydude said:
Yes....but if a non-profit chooses to discriminate they should lose their tax exempt status.
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I'm kind of on the fence on that one. For places where BSofA actually pays people to work, yes, and I suspect they don't discriminate in filling those jobs. Volunteer work is another area, though.
 
Removable Mind said:
I see that some people still believe that homosexuality is the same as pedophilia. It is not!
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False.

That's not what they're saying.

What they're saying is that homosexuals are considerably more likely, per capita percentage, to be pedophiles than heterosexuals.

That's a fact.

There are studies that have been done to support that reality -- just Google "are homosexuals more likely to be pedophiles?" and they'll pop right up for you to review.

And, of course, though one might argue that the very presence of alter "boys" would make it more likely that gay priests would molest boys more often than girls, the studies show that, when that's factored out, homosexuals are still more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals.

The birth defect of homosexuality is simply that, and, therefore, there is no across the board analogy that can be made with the mere difference being the attracted-to gender.

The birth defect of homosexuality comes complete with other abnormalities .. which, obviously, includes an increased propensity for pedophilia.

Remember, it's a birth defect, and that defect encompasses a number of brain functions that reflect in behavior attributes.

There is legitimate concern, to some degree, about homosexuals in the scouts, that the behavior reflected in both the scout oath and motto will be quite an endemic challenge for homosexuals, considerably more so than it is for heterosexuals.
 
Ontologuy said:
False.

That's not what they're saying.

What they're saying is that homosexuals are considerably more likely, per capita percentage, to be pedophiles than heterosexuals.

That's a fact.

There are studies that have been done to support that reality -- just Google "are homosexuals more likely to be pedophiles?" and they'll pop right up for you to review.

And, of course, though one might argue that the very presence of alter "boys" would make it more likely that gay priests would molest boys more often than girls, the studies show that, when that's factored out, homosexuals are still more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals.

The birth defect of homosexuality is simply that, and, therefore, there is no across the board analogy that can be made with the mere difference being the attracted-to gender.

The birth defect of homosexuality comes complete with other abnormalities .. which, obviously, includes an increased propensity for pedophilia.

Remember, it's a birth defect, and that defect encompasses a number of brain functions that reflect in behavior attributes.

There is legitimate concern, to some degree, about homosexuals in the scouts, that the behavior reflected in both the scout oath and motto will be quite an endemic challenge for homosexuals, considerably more so than it is for heterosexuals.
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The birth defect of homosexuality is simply that, and, therefore, there is no across the board analogy that can be made with the mere difference being the attracted-to gender.
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REALLY?

And you know this how?

The FACT REMAINS...being homosexual is not the same as being a pedophile.

All of the other comments you made...are simply not relevant to my post.
 
Removable Mind said:
REALLY? And you know this how?
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I've presented the fact that homosexuality, like transsexuality, is a birth defect, in other recent threads, complete with scientific validation, so don't play dumb for "your" audience.


Removable Mind said:
The FACT REMAINS...being homosexual is not the same as being a pedophile.
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But your fact was meaningless, as it was an inapplicable hyperbole over-reaction on your part.

No one was saying or implying that homosexuality is pedophilia.

They were simply making the topically relevant observation that homosexuals have a significantly higher percentage of pedophilia among their ranks than do heterosexuals.

Your inapplicable hyperbole was named and refuted.


Removable Mind said:
All of the other comments you made...are simply not relevant to my post.
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Also meaningless, as the DP world doesn't revolve around either your hyperbole over-reaction perception error or your limited post.

I provided relevant fact-based meaningful presentation to refute your obvious perceptively erroneous hyperbole over-reaction, and thus my presentation was topically germane.
 
Ontologuy said:
False.

That's not what they're saying.

What they're saying is that homosexuals are considerably more likely, per capita percentage, to be pedophiles than heterosexuals.

That's a fact.

There are studies that have been done to support that reality -- just Google "are homosexuals more likely to be pedophiles?" and they'll pop right up for you to review.

And, of course, though one might argue that the very presence of alter "boys" would make it more likely that gay priests would molest boys more often than girls, the studies show that, when that's factored out, homosexuals are still more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals.

The birth defect of homosexuality is simply that, and, therefore, there is no across the board analogy that can be made with the mere difference being the attracted-to gender.

The birth defect of homosexuality comes complete with other abnormalities .. which, obviously, includes an increased propensity for pedophilia.

Remember, it's a birth defect, and that defect encompasses a number of brain functions that reflect in behavior attributes.

There is legitimate concern, to some degree, about homosexuals in the scouts, that the behavior reflected in both the scout oath and motto will be quite an endemic challenge for homosexuals, considerably more so than it is for heterosexuals.
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Your whole post is fiction. Among thoise with a developed adult sexuality(ie people who are attracted at all to adults), gays make up about 5ish percent of pedophiles, or about the exact same ratio as they make up of the total population. The far and away vast majority of pedophiles who can be labeled straight or gay are in fact straight. What you are thinking of us a couple "studies" done that call any pedophile attack on those of the same gender gay. That is false.

The birth defedt thing is painfully stupid as there is zero evidence to support such a claim.
 
Ontologuy said:
I've presented the fact that homosexuality, like transsexuality, is a birth defect, in other recent threads, complete with scientific validation, so don't play dumb for "your" audience.

But your fact was meaningless, as it was an inapplicable hyperbole over-reaction on your part.

No one was saying or implying that homosexuality is pedophilia.

They were simply making the topically relevant observation that homosexuals have a significantly higher percentage of pedophilia among their ranks than do heterosexuals.

Your inapplicable hyperbole was named and refuted.



Also meaningless, as the DP world doesn't revolve around either your hyperbole over-reaction perception error or your limited post.

I provided relevant fact-based meaningful presentation to refute your obvious perceptively erroneous hyperbole over-reaction, and thus my presentation was topically germane.
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I clearly said in my post that apparent there are people who believe homosexuality is the same as a pedophile...WHICH THEY ARE NOT!

There's no clear science on what genetic happenstance that assigns sexuality. I don't care what you believe.
 
Redress said:
Your whole post is fiction.
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False.

You just don't like the truth of it.


Redress said:
Among thoise with a developed adult sexuality(ie people who are attracted at all to adults),
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Your premise here is what is fiction, as if you're going to include pedophilia in this group, you can't accurately say they're attracted to adults.

Let's instead simply accurately say that if developed sexuality, like would be found in an adult, seems present (like puberty has occurred), they are to be included in the group of those to be considered, and though a 15-year-old boy may be attracted to other boys, if he shows a propensity to molest significantly younger children, then he's a pedophile.

That's what the studies did.


Redress said:
gays make up about 5ish percent of pedophiles, or about the exact same ratio as they make up of the total population.
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The studies show that's absolutely false .. and, gays make up about 2 percent of the population, not 5%, according to a recent more comprehensive poll referenced here at DP last year, though many are still adjusting to that newly revealed reality.

Regardless, did you Google the studies with the search-phrase I provided?

Did you read the studies?

Apparently not.

If you have a critique of the studies that show gays are significantly more likely to be pedophiles than stratights, please post a link to the study, quote the study results, and then post a refutation.


Redress said:
The far and away vast majority of pedophiles who can be labeled straight or gay are in fact straight.
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False -- pure obfuscation.

Here you're just making stuff up because you don't like the truth that homosexuals are significantly more likely to be pedophiles, as the studies show.


Redress said:
What you are thinking of us a couple "studies" done that call any pedophile attack on those of the same gender gay. That is false.
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No, it is your statement here that is false.

I'm "thinking", as you say, of everyone of those studies found under the Google search-phrase I presented in my previous post you're quoting. All those studies make it crystal clear that the birth defect of homosexuality carries with it a significant increase in other abnormal perversions as well.

That's a study-documented fact.


Redress said:
The birth defedt thing is painfully stupid as there is zero evidence to support such a claim.
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False.

The reality of it is simply painful to you.

I documented the science of the birth-defect of homosexuality and its etiological cousin transsexuality in previous recent threads here.

Acceptance is really for the intelligent best.
 
Ontologuy said:
False.

You just don't like the truth of it.



Your premise here is what is fiction, as if you're going to include pedophilia in this group, you can't accurately say they're attracted to adults.

Let's instead simply accurately say that if developed sexuality, like would be found in an adult, seems present (like puberty has occurred), they are to be included in the group of those to be considered, and though a 15-year-old boy may be attracted to other boys, if he shows a propensity to molest significantly younger children, then he's a pedophile.

That's what the studies did.



The studies show that's absolutely false .. and, gays make up about 2 percent of the population, not 5%, according to a recent more comprehensive poll referenced here at DP last year, though many are still adjusting to that newly revealed reality.

Regardless, did you Google the studies with the search-phrase I provided?

Did you read the studies?

Apparently not.

If you have a critique of the studies that show gays are significantly more likely to be pedophiles than stratights, please post a link to the study, quote the study results, and then post a refutation.



False -- pure obfuscation.

Here you're just making stuff up because you don't like the truth that homosexuals are significantly more likely to be pedophiles, as the studies show.



No, it is your statement here that is false.

I'm "thinking", as you say, of everyone of those studies found under the Google search-phrase I presented in my previous post you're quoting. All those studies make it crystal clear that the birth defect of homosexuality carries with it a significant increase in other abnormal perversions as well.

That's a study-documented fact.



False.

The reality of it is simply painful to you.

I documented the science of the birth-defect of homosexuality and its etiological cousin transsexuality in previous recent threads here.

Acceptance is really for the intelligent best.
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More fiction. You cannot document a single thing you are claiming. I can.
 
Removable Mind said:
I clearly said in my post that apparent there are people who believe homosexuality is the same as a pedophile...WHICH THEY ARE NOT!
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And I clearly pointed out to you that, no people were not "apparently" equating homosexuality with pedophilia, as there was no apparent equating happening, either in the posts of people in this thread or in a reference to others by posters in this thread.

I clearly pointed out to you that your "apparently" assertion was absolutely and obviously false.

Here you are simply trying to use subterfuge to "pretend" I've posted other than this or to "pretend" that your "real" point was that "homosexuality is not the same as pedophilia", when clearly neiher was the case.

Stop trying to obfuscate via subterfuge.


Removable Mind said:
There's no clear science on what genetic happenstance that assigns sexuality. I don't care what you believe.
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False, obviously.

And what you care or not about the facts of the birth-defect nature of homosexuality and transsexuality I accurately presented is meaningless.
 
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