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Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.

Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.

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Mycroft said:
I don't think the Boy Scouts should hire either openly gay or openly straight people.
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That's going to be kind of hard. My interactions with the Scouts involved a lot of people who shamelessly wore wedding rings.
 
Where's the "It's not my place to tell a private, religion based organization what to do" option?
 
rocket88 said:
That's going to be kind of hard. My interactions with the Scouts involved a lot of people who shamelessly wore wedding rings.
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So...if you see someone who is wearing a wedding ring, does that mean they are openly gay? Or openly straight?
 
Mycroft said:
So...if you see someone who is wearing a wedding ring, does that mean they are openly gay? Or openly straight?
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25 years ago, it most certainly meant they were straight. And not one of them was in the least ashamed enough to try to hide it. Even now taking my son. His leader is openly straight.
 
rocket88 said:
25 years ago, it most certainly meant they were straight. And not one of them was in the least ashamed enough to try to hide it. Even now taking my son. His leader is openly straight.
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Does your son get in front of the Scouts and say, "Okay, boys...I like women"?

If he does, he should be fired.
 
Its their call, as I don't know..
I read moral "straightness" - then the homosexual should be able to join and participate....They deserve a break.
Its best for the Boy Scout members to decide this, NOT their leaders..
 
Mycroft said:
Does your son get in front of the Scouts and say, "Okay, boys...I like women"?

If he does, he should be fired.
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My son? I don't know, I think he likes women.

The leaders tend not to show off porn, if that's what you're getting at. One of the boys has a gay mom and a gay dad (and a gay step-mom and step-dad also). None of them show off, they don't have orgies during the meetings (or if they do, it's at home) but they are all "openly" gay in that they don't try to hide it like it's some shameful secret.
 
rocket88 said:
My son? I don't know, I think he likes women.

The leaders tend not to show off porn, if that's what you're getting at. One of the boys has a gay mom and a gay dad (and a gay step-mom and step-dad also). None of them show off, they don't have orgies during the meetings (or if they do, it's at home) but they are all "openly" gay in that they don't try to hide it like it's some shameful secret.
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I guess it all gets back to the OP and whatever his definition of "openly gay" is. I gave mine in a previous post.
 
VanceMack said:
Correct...but you also have to abide by their rules and their rules state homosexuality is not allowed. Agree and join. Disagree and dont. Life becomes very simple. Ive always marvelled at the people that sought to join agencies bedcause of the values they held only to immediately attempt to change those values. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw. It went something like "Welcome to Texas. Sorry...we dont give a **** how you did it "back home". There's probably a reason you left and we didnt move there."
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Funny, I'm a scout mom, and an open lesbian. No one in our pack cares.
 
You left off any other choices.

The boy scouts are a private organization and therefore have the right to set any standards they wish. If they wish to not allow homosexuals, then they should be allowed to. They have the right to act as they wish as long as it does not cause physical harm to others.
 
Paschendale said:
Yes. Discrimination is inconsistent with the lessons on quality of character that the Boy Scouts aims to teach its members. It probably needs to knock off all of the overtly religious elements, too. The Boy Scouts has a policy of discrimination against non-monotheists as well. With regard to both issues, it is impossible to teach good moral values and discrimination. One precludes the other.



For example. Moral straightness and discrimination based on sexuality or religion are completely incompatible.
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I totally and completely disagree. Discrimination based upon immoral behavior is indeed completely moral and is compatible with a moral lifestyle.
 
The Boy Scouts have a unique charter with the federal government that gives them special recognition and exempts them from anti-discrimination laws. It should be repealed. Mormom boy Scout troops discriminated against African-Americans up until the 1980s.
 
disneydude said:
And if they choose to engage in discriminatory action excluding gays, they should lose their tax exempt status. You can't have it both ways.
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You also have to believe in God to be in Scouts.
 
disneydude said:
And if they choose to engage in discriminatory action excluding gays, they should lose their tax exempt status. You can't have it both ways.
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I usually follow your thinking but I don't here. Isn't the BSofA registered as a non-profit as opposed to a religion?
 
They should. I don't think they should be forced to do so by law, but they should allow/accept them.

The proper way to go about this is to push for it from inside the organization, which is being done by some now.
 
DVSentinel said:
You left off any other choices.

The boy scouts are a private organization and therefore have the right to set any standards they wish. If they wish to not allow homosexuals, then they should be allowed to. They have the right to act as they wish as long as it does not cause physical harm to others.
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They may have the legal right to do so. That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
 
Mycroft said:
I guess it all gets back to the OP and whatever his definition of "openly gay" is. I gave mine in a previous post.
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I didn't really see where that was. You talked about "expressing their sexuality," but what does that mean even? A person expresses their sexuality in any number of ways - how they talk, dress, or just generally carry themselves.

Do you want them to be robots?
 
rocket88 said:
They may have the legal right to do so. That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
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Right and wrong are determined by ethical/moral determinations. Since morals and ethics are personal codes of behavior, each individual will decide if it is right or wrong. Since I don't support the "normalizing" of homosexuality, and consider it immoral behavior outside of certain conditions, I have no problem at all with them blocking homosexuals from their private organization. If someone doesn't like it, then don't support them. There is never a good excuse to force others to accept another persons moral/ethical beliefs.
 
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