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Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.

Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.

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brothern said:
You're trolling. ACT UP is an organization that was formed and ended before I was even born. .
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I'm sorry to hear that.

I grew up before there was an ACT UP and the worst thing I feared while sewing wild oats in my youth was getting the crabs.
 
madman said:
LOL, sounds like you are hip with the gay lingo. something you wanna tell us?
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I live on the Left Coast, the land of fruits and nuts. aka, Mexifornia, The Banana Republic of California, Peoples Republik of California.
 
madman said:
ahhh, so you pick and choose what you want to hate or discriminate. I got it now.
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Or...you pick and choose whichever faith system allows you to justify your behavior. Whatever. I dont hate and I laugh at ****heads that cant have a conversation about this without accusing the other person of hatred or discrimination. Look...live...love...and be happy. If you think it is 'right' to take a dick up your ass in the name of love because your sexual organs are incompatible but hey...at least you can stick it there...then by damn...do so...and do so with your 'Gods'' blessing. If you think embracing a coupling partnership that cant POSSIBLY result in furthering of the species through procreation...have a party. If you find it 'right' to embrace homosexuality and a sexual act that has been responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of people through the spread of a lethal virus...rock the **** on.
 
VanceMack said:
Or...you pick and choose whichever faith system allows you to justify your behavior. Whatever. I dont hate and I laugh at ****heads that cant have a conversation about this without accusing the other person of hatred or discrimination. Look...live...love...and be happy. If you think it is 'right' to take a dick up your ass in the name of love because your sexual organs are incompatible but hey...at least you can stick it there...then by damn...do so...and do so with your 'Gods'' blessing. If you think embracing a coupling partnership that cant POSSIBLY result in furthering of the species through procreation...have a party. If you find it 'right' to embrace homosexuality and a sexual act that has been responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of people through the spread of a lethal virus...rock the **** on.
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There is no "OR"

And what's with the fascination of gay sex? Those that have hatred of gays always bring up the act of sex. Being gay is not about sex, just like being straight is not about sex. ohhh, and just for the record, many hetros love anal sex, too. I suppose that you are NOT ok with that, right, because after all it's the gay icky sex.

Your argument and furthering the species is weak. There's aprox. 3%-5% of homosexuals in the world. it's silly to think that those not procreating will cause life on earth to cease to exist. Now, what about those who cant have kids (ohhh, gods will, right?) or what about those that simply choose NOT to have kids. Are you gonna be bigoted towards them as well? because after all, they're not toting the religious line.

Let's not venture into the cause of deaths or the reasons of deaths in the gay community. Why not focus on the history of the christian religion. That's something to really look at.


i swear, people are so blinded by their hatred.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Moderator's Warning:
Before this goes any further, knock it off.
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I wasn't offended by Madman's question or insinuation. And I don't fall under Rule #20, I'm not one of the protected groups.

And I believe I answered Madmans question.

I saw things that are indescribable and maybe even did somethings I wasn't to proud of when I was 18 and 19 years old in 69 and 70. So little today phases me. I've seen the real world because I lived through it.

Have you ever wondered why some of us started greying in our 30's ?
 
madman said:
There is no "OR"

And what's with the fascination of gay sex? Those that have hatred of gays always bring up the act of sex. Being gay is not about sex, just like being straight is not about sex. ohhh, and just for the record, many hetros love anal sex, too. I suppose that you are NOT ok with that, right, because after all it's the gay icky sex.

Your argument and furthering the species is weak. There's aprox. 3%-5% of homosexuals in the world. it's silly to think that those not procreating will cause life on earth to cease to exist. Now, what about those who cant have kids (ohhh, gods will, right?) or what about those that simply choose NOT to have kids. Are you gonna be bigoted towards them as well? because after all, they're not toting the religious line.

Let's not venture into the cause of deaths or the reasons of deaths in the gay community. Why not focus on the history of the christian religion. That's something to really look at.


i swear, people are so blinded by their hatred.
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Yep. Thats it. Its not a question of you jumping into a reasonable discussion and acting like an asshole with the "hatred and discrimination" rhetoric. It must be me.

I dont care what you do or who you do it with. I dont care what hetero couples do and who they do it with. Me...nah...I cant see the hieght of love and coupled relationship equaling "I love you so much...let me **** you in the ass because the 'normal' way doesnt work." But hey. Thats just me. And I certainly understand why you dont want to consider the cause of death and prevalence of HIV/AIDS in the gay community.
 
Navy Pride said:
If they did that how would the BSA know?
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How does the BSA know who's gay? Is it ok for a gay man to be a scoutmaster if he is closeted?


Would you rather have a closeted gay scoutmaster or a scoutmaster that runs around cavorting with prostitutes and bragging about his sexual excapades with married women?
 
Navy Pride said:
You never been a BS or you would know Its part of their creed.
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Its actually the Scout Oath, nor creed. And even the Boy Scouts has said that the term "morally straight" is not referencing homosexuality vs. heterosexuality so stop trying to twist the wording.
 
APACHERAT said:
I concur. Or they get involved enjoying their sons acting like kids.

One does not get involved with the Elks Club to act like kids.

The gay activist remind me of the guy in the wheelchair who goes from business to business with a tape rule looking for a violation of the ADA. Measuring how high the mirrors are in the restroom and how wide the aisle are.

A few years ago I would always be confronted by gays outside of a business gathering signatures to repeal DADT. I always asked them do any of you plan to join the military if DADT is repealed ? I didn't find one who planned on joining the military, they all hated the military.
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****thatdidnthappen.txt
 
disneydude said:
Its actually the Scout Oath, nor creed. And even the Boy Scouts has said that the term "morally straight" is not referencing homosexuality vs. heterosexuality so stop trying to twist the wording.
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Why not just tell Navy Pride that only liberals are allowed to change the definition of words to further their leftist agenda ?
 
VanceMack said:
The logic is obvious. One of the basic tenets of the Scouts is a belief in God. Agree with it, disagree with it...its not really relevant. Gods word in the Bible is that homosexuality is wrong. Open acceptance of homosexuality is pretty much in opposition to their stated belief in God. Pretty easy to understand. Just as open acceptance of an avowed and unrepentant liar or open acceptance of a scout leader that is adulterous would be an affront to their stated values, so to would acceptance of homosexual scout leaders. There is and should be no more concern that an openly gay scout leader would be a predator than there is that a heterosexual woman would target scouts.
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I have to admit you lost me on that one.:confused:
 
madman said:
Dont give me that BS! no one is "perfect" that included "morally straight".

What a crock of chit!

and yes, i was a cub scout.
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Whether they adhere to it is one thing but it is in the BS Creed.
 
APACHERAT said:
I wasn't offended by Madman's question or insinuation. And I don't fall under Rule #20, I'm not one of the protected groups.

And I believe I answered Madmans question.

I saw things that are indescribable and maybe even did somethings I wasn't to proud of when I was 18 and 19 years old in 69 and 70. So little today phases me. I've seen the real world because I lived through it.

Have you ever wondered why some of us started greying in our 30's ?
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Moderator's Warning:
Please do not comment on moderation, publicly.
 
First, morally straight doesn't and never did mean heterosexual.

Second, if straight women can be Boy Scout masters and straight men can be Girl Scout Leaders (which they can), I don't see the rationale in barring homosexuals from holding such positions.

Third, if the BSA is truly a private organization then it should be allowed to be as bigoted as it wants. But it is not TRULY a private organization. It receives all kinds of special treatment from the government and the US military that is not extended to competitive organizations. Did you know if you are an Eagle Scout and then enlist in the Army you can enter as an E-2 instead of an E-1? That is an extra 170 bucks or so a month as an award for being a boyscout. BSA are invited to participate in numerous activities with the military and are given free use (though they may be asked to pay $1) of government spaces that isn't offered to competitive organizations.
 
There is absolutely no reason at all to deny them access. Any argument against openly gay people in the scouts will fall under the "Bigot" category as far as I'm concerned.
 
Navy Pride said:
A lot of men do in both instances.

Straight pedophiles rape little girls and gay pedophiles rape little boys.
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What does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

I don't see any connection.
 
Of course they SHOULD. Will they? Probably not. Whatever.
 
VanceMack said:
Whichever one you choose to believe in. Or not. The BSA happens to believe the one that says it is wrong.
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You don't have to be of any particular faith to be a boy scout. They only ask that you believe in a higher power.
 
wolfsgirl said:
You don't have to be of any particular faith to be a boy scout. They only ask that you believe in a higher power.
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Correct...but you also have to abide by their rules and their rules state homosexuality is not allowed. Agree and join. Disagree and dont. Life becomes very simple. Ive always marvelled at the people that sought to join agencies bedcause of the values they held only to immediately attempt to change those values. Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw. It went something like "Welcome to Texas. Sorry...we dont give a **** how you did it "back home". There's probably a reason you left and we didnt move there."
 
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