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Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.

Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.


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The Elks Club really don't want it broadcast it but gay's are welcome as long as they behave themselves and don't bring shame or attention to the family aspect of the Elks Club. You also must be an American, not a hyphenated-American.

Since everyone is held to the same standards and there are no special protections for certain groups of people and everyone has to behave, most gays would rather get involved with organizations like the Boy Scouts where they can misbehave and act like kids.

Please post evidence of what I placed in bold.
 
That happens to me a lot when I am dealing with lefties...
Pretty much everybody, I'm sure.


That wasn't the question (though it's obvious NP is doing some baiting here). Lots of people do things that have no logical purpose, but that doesn't relate to whether or not said practice should be allowed or disallowed.
That is your opinion the BSA and a lot of people don't agree with you.
*smh*

I didn't offer an opinion. It was a generic comment.
 
Your trolling.

Trying to get you to support an idiotic statement is all. Since you don't seem like you can, we can dismiss it as idiotic and unfounded.
 
Your trolling.
You're trolling. ACT UP is an organization that was formed and ended before I was even born. That's my birth, childhood, education, my coming out as gay and going through the entire BSA program to become an Eagle Scout. Amazing how you have dredged them up from history as a reference to attack "the gays" in a debate about the BSA and its membership policy.
 
The logic is obvious. One of the basic tenets of the Scouts is a belief in God. Agree with it, disagree with it...its not really relevant. Gods word in the Bible is that homosexuality is wrong. Open acceptance of homosexuality is pretty much in opposition to their stated belief in God. Pretty easy to understand. Just as open acceptance of an avowed and unrepentant liar or open acceptance of a scout leader that is adulterous would be an affront to their stated values, so to would acceptance of homosexual scout leaders. There is and should be no more concern that an openly gay scout leader would be a predator than there is that a heterosexual woman would target scouts.
 
You never been a BS or you would know Its part of their creed.

Dont give me that BS! no one is "perfect" that included "morally straight".

What a crock of chit!

and yes, i was a cub scout.
 
Please give your opinion and no personal attacks.

My opinion: The Boy Scouts are a private organization. They should be allowed to make that decision on their own, especially since we're talking about volunteer positions. Those who don't like how the Boy Scouts are run should be able to start their own groups run the way they think is best and watch throngs of people leave the Boy Scouts for their group.
 
The logic is obvious. One of the basic tenets of the Scouts is a belief in God. Agree with it, disagree with it...its not really relevant. Gods word in the Bible is that homosexuality is wrong. Open acceptance of homosexuality is pretty much in opposition to their stated belief in God. Pretty easy to understand. Just as open acceptance of an avowed and unrepentant liar or open acceptance of a scout leader that is adulterous would be an affront to their stated values, so to would acceptance of homosexual scout leaders. There is and should be no more concern that an openly gay scout leader would be a predator than there is that a heterosexual woman would target scouts.

God's word in The Bible is that slavery is just fine! The Bible isn't always right. There are over 100 verses in The Bible that relate to the acceptability of slavery. Now, we look at those verses and rationalize: "They were a reflection of cultural norms at the time." The same can be said of the five or six verses that condemn homosexuality, in my opinion.

Here is Brothern, posting above you, who says he is a gay man. To condemn him for that? Not my God. Not the God I worship. The Bible is filled with contradiction. It is no more God's word than the hymns we sing in church.
 
You're trolling. ACT UP is an organization that was formed and ended before I was even born. That's my birth, childhood, education, my coming out as gay and going through the entire BSA program to become an Eagle Scout. Amazing how you have dredged them up from history as a reference to attack "the gays" in a debate about the BSA and its membership policy.

Brothern, congratulations on becoming an Eagle Scout. That's one awesome achievement!! You rock!!
 
God's word in The Bible is that slavery is just fine! The Bible isn't always right. There are over 100 verses in The Bible that relate to the acceptability of slavery. Now, we look at those verses and rationalize: "They were a reflection of cultural norms at the time." The same can be said of the five or six verses that condemn homosexuality, in my opinion.

Here is Brothern, posting above you, who says he is a gay man. To condemn him for that? Not my God. Not the God I worship. The Bible is filled with contradiction. It is no more God's word than the hymns we sing in church.
Not going to argue whether or not Gods word is right or wrong. Believe it, dont...not relevant. I know good people that happen to be gay. I have family members that are gay. I love them. I care for them. I would never tell them how to live their lives. I dont change what I believe just because I happen to know people that believe differently. I'll let God figure out the whole condemnation part.
 
You do realise many adults get involved in Scouting so they can act like kids, right?

I concur. Or they get involved enjoying their sons acting like kids.

One does not get involved with the Elks Club to act like kids.

The gay activist remind me of the guy in the wheelchair who goes from business to business with a tape rule looking for a violation of the ADA. Measuring how high the mirrors are in the restroom and how wide the aisle are.

A few years ago I would always be confronted by gays outside of a business gathering signatures to repeal DADT. I always asked them do any of you plan to join the military if DADT is repealed ? I didn't find one who planned on joining the military, they all hated the military.
 
well the poll question is a question for the person on the board to .....answer.

since it is asking me, ...i would have to referee it back to the scouts, its a decision they are in charge of ,not me, or governments, or any other person not tied to the organization.

to answer the question yes or no is to get into my feelings on the issue, and i dont like doing that when i have no authority in a situation.

feelings are the worst thing, especially when it deals with any lawful decisions, that have to be made.
 
I concur. Or they get involved enjoying their sons acting like kids.

One does not get involved with the Elks Club to act like kids.

The gay activist remind me of the guy in the wheelchair who goes from business to business with a tape rule looking for a violation of the ADA. Measuring how high the mirrors are in the restroom and how wide the aisle are.

A few years ago I would always be confronted by gays outside of a business gathering signatures to repeal DADT. I always asked them do any of you plan to join the military if DADT is repealed ? I didn't find one who planned on joining the military, they all hated the military.

You do realize that you are doing precisely what I called you out on: overgeneralizing. Not ALL gays are activists. Not all gays behave in the way that you are presenting.
 
LOL, sounds like you are hip with the gay lingo. something you wanna tell us?

Moderator's Warning:
Before this goes any further, knock it off.
 
The logic is obvious. One of the basic tenets of the Scouts is a belief in God. Agree with it, disagree with it...its not really relevant. Gods word in the Bible is that homosexuality is wrong.


Well, there are many churches that welcome homosexuals. So which god/bible says it's wrong??
 
Do I think they should? Yes. Do I think they should be forced to? No, as long as they don't receive federal money.

Hypothetical question, which actually might be true: Some hospitals in America are operated at the administrative level by Catholic nuns. They hire male doctors and other staffing but top leadership is reserved for members of of their convent, which would inevitably be all female. Discrimination against males, Muslims, gays, Baptists, married women and the list goes on in their prerequisite to hold executive positions at this hospital. Should they be required to be more inclusive in who they let join the convent or lose the right to accept Medicaid and Medicare patients?


Second hypothetical question: Should non-parental men be allowed to serve as Girl Scout volunteers helping out in areas that include supervision of girls during overnight camping trips. Maybe a couple of men not biologically related to the girls can take the young ladies for a weekend camping trip in the woods to learn about nature.
 
Well, there are many churches that welcome homosexuals. So which god/bible says it's wrong??
Whichever one you choose to believe in. Or not. The BSA happens to believe the one that says it is wrong.
 
Yes. Discrimination is inconsistent with the lessons on quality of character that the Boy Scouts aims to teach its members. It probably needs to knock off all of the overtly religious elements, too. The Boy Scouts has a policy of discrimination against non-monotheists as well. With regard to both issues, it is impossible to teach good moral values and discrimination. One precludes the other.



For example. Moral straightness and discrimination based on sexuality or religion are completely incompatible.

Not everyone shares the same morality. That said, as long as they are a private organization, they should be able to do what they want withing the bounds of the law.
 
Whichever one you choose to believe in. Or not. The BSA happens to believe the one that says it is wrong.

ahhh, so you pick and choose what you want to hate or discriminate. I got it now.
 
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