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Dividing the United States

I have never seen a President divide the Country more than

  • Obama

    Votes: 24 50.0%
  • Bush (W)

    Votes: 21 43.8%
  • Clinton

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Bush

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Reagan

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • Carter

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    48
A cringe worthy claim. I mean, are we including pre-civil rights era presidents in our definition of modern here? Also, this opinion piece from the Virginia Beach Conservative happens to ignore prior initiatives aimed at increasing educational opportunities for minority groups, such as the White House initiative on Educational Excellence for Hispanics, started under George Bush Sr. Of course neither initiative is inherently racist, but I digress.
 
In my lifetime, I have never seen a President try to divided a country more than Obama. He campaigned on being the great uniter and ends up being just the opposite. The examples are too numerous to list.

are you sure it is Obama dividing the nation?

Political Polarization

Americans have become more politically polarized than at any time in the past 25 years, according to a major survey released Monday by the Pew Research Center.

Pew measured partisan differences on 48 areas that it has tracked since 1987, and the average partisan gap has nearly doubled, from 10 percent to 18 percent. Partisan divisions have grown most noticeably over the role of the social safety net, environmental protection, immigration, and the federal government’s scope and performance, with Democrats moving to the left and Republicans moving to the right.

Nearly all the increases occurred during the presidencies of George W. Bush and Barack Obama

Pew survey: Partisan polarization in US hits 25-year high - CSMonitor.com
 
A cringe worthy claim. I mean, are we including pre-civil rights era presidents in our definition of modern here? Also, this opinion piece from the Virginia Beach Conservative happens to ignore prior initiatives aimed at increasing educational opportunities for minority groups, such as the White House initiative on Educational Excellence for Hispanics, started under George Bush Sr. Of course neither initiative is inherently racist, but I digress.

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Gallup’s, Jeffrey Jones, in a memo summed up the results, saying,

Obama’s ratings have been consistently among the most polarized for a president in the last 60 years. That may not be a reflection on Obama himself as much as on the current political environment in the United States, because Obama’s immediate predecessor, Bush, had similarly polarized ratings, particularly in the latter stages of his presidency after the rally in support from the 9/11 terror attacks faded.


While you digress.....perhaps you should have checked out Post 32......in question which Presidents were being talked about. Moreover why would there need to be Specifics when even the MSM had articles up all about who was the Most Divisive Modern Day President.

Obama isn't the just the Most divisive either. He is also the most polarizing of Modern Day Presidents.
 
Bush had it for 3 years and now Obama is Thee Man.....and this was without 2012 or anything going forward with Obama.


Obama, Bush: Polarizing presidents.....

Gallup's bottom line:

Obama ran his successful 2008 presidential campaign partly on bringing Americans together, but that has not been the case in practice to date. Republicans rarely say they approve of the job he is doing, while Democrats rarely say they disapprove. Thus, Obama's ratings have been consistently among the most polarized for a president in the last 60 years.

That may not be a reflection on Obama himself as much as on the current political environment in the United States, because Obama's immediate predecessor, Bush, had similarly polarized ratings, particularly in the latter stages of his presidency after the rally in support from the 9/11 terror attacks faded.

Given the typical pattern in which presidents' ratings tend to be most polarized in their fourth year in office, when presidents are seeking re-election, Republicans' and Democrats' views of Obama may diverge even further this year.....snip~

Obama, Bush: Polarizing presidents
 
No vote......overly controlled...and a vote would be useless and silly.
A man could check off "Abraham Lincoln"......and, as far as that goes, be correct.
Its the conservative extremists, those without tolerance and love who are doing this "dividing" , if it exists.
We have far too much lying (propaganda ) in our nation and far too little truth..
Lying is NOT telling the whole truth and only the truth....
For this I use NPR , C-Span, and PBS, even then, a grain of salt is used.
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In my lifetime, I have never seen a President try to divided a country more than Obama.


Yeah - because the republicans, tea partiers, and conservative idiots on the radio and tv have played absolutely NO part in being divisive and destructive.
They've had no part in inciting hatred, and never stooped to fear-mongering, smear-tactics, or lying simply to further their cause at the expense of the American people.

If Obama was so bad for the country why was he elected for a second term? Was it because the Republicans offered a far worse option than Obama?

Maybe it's because the conservative/republican/right is viewed by most as being a much WORSE option than Obama.

And if the game plan for the conservative/republican/right doesn't change rather dramatically, it's quite possible another democrap could win the presidency in 2016.

I'm sure most will agree that Obama isn't the greatest president in history, but what is glaringly clear is the options the conservative/republican/right keep putting up, are worse.

Worse than Obama. Now that's saying something rather striking.
 
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Gallup’s, Jeffrey Jones, in a memo summed up the results, saying,

Obama’s ratings have been consistently among the most polarized for a president in the last 60 years. That may not be a reflection on Obama himself as much as on the current political environment in the United States, because Obama’s immediate predecessor, Bush, had similarly polarized ratings, particularly in the latter stages of his presidency after the rally in support from the 9/11 terror attacks faded.


While you digress.....perhaps you should have checked out Post 32......in question which Presidents were being talked about. Moreover why would there need to be Specifics when even the MSM had articles up all about who was the Most Divisive Modern Day President.

Obama isn't the just the Most divisive either. He is also the most polarizing of Modern Day Presidents.
None of which speaks to your claim that he's the most racially divisive in modern history. As mentioned before, the opinion piece you used in an attempt to make that claim is absolute junk, as minority centered education initiatives have solid historical precedent.
 
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As far as I can tell, Obama is "dividing" the country by holding political positions that are not always conservative.

As far as I can tell, Obama is "dividing" the country by holding political positions that are not always economically sound, morally upright, or logically correct.
 
None of which speaks to your claim that he's the most racially divisive in modern history. As mentioned before, the opinion piece you used in an attempt to make that claim is absolute junk, as the action has solid historical precedent.


Yet this changes nothing of what the majority in this country thinks now.....Does it? Doesn't matter what you or I think.....sure those who Support Obama can attempt to deny such. Yet it is the left looking for specific incidents. Even tho Obama was accused of Racially Charged Speeches and all. No other President has been involved in more drama over Race......than Obama.

Savage: Obama administration is "the most racially divisive administration in history"

Savage: Obama administration is "the most racially divisive administration in history" | Video | Media Matters for America

Marco Rubio: Obama Is Most 'Divisive Figure In Modern American History'

President Obama's version of racially divisive politics

http://www.dailyworld.com/article/2...nt-Obama-s-version-racially-divisive-politics

Obama the Divider

Obama the Divider « Commentary Magazine

Restoring race relations in America one person at a time

Obama Racially divisive | We the People

Obama - The Most Racially Divisive President in Recent History
President Obama, you are No Dr. Martin L. King, Jr.

<em>Is Anybody There?</em>: Obama - The Most Racially Divisive President in Recent History

Obama’s Racially Divisive Ad Mirrors Abortion Industry Targeting

Obama's Racially Divisive Ad Mirrors Abortion Industry Targeting | LifeNews.com

Conservatives Accuse Obama Of Using Racially Charged Rhetoric In 2007 Speech
Conservatives Accuse Obama Of Using Racially Charged Rhetoric In 2007 Speech

'Obama's Other Race Speech': Conservatives Tout 'Bombshell'
'Obama's Other Race Speech': Conservatives Tout 'Bombshell' - VIDEO

US election: Barack Obama accused of 'racially charged rhetoric'
US election: Barack Obama accused of 'racially charged rhetoric' - Telegraph

Under President Obama, have race relations improved?
Under President Obama, have race relations improved? | Deseret News

Glenn Beck calls President Obama a racist; hater of whites
Glenn Beck calls President Obama a racist; hater of whites. « feedback.pdxradio.com

Since Obama Is The Most Racist Divisive President Poll
Since Obama Is The Most Racist Divisive President Poll
 
No other President has been involved in more drama over Race......than Obama.

Geeeee.........who'da thunk it.... first black (half black actually) president ever, and racial drama????? Wow......staggering.
 
Obama’s Racial Crisis
Our post-racial president has set race relations back decades.

In the current racial circus, the president of the United States, in addressing an assembly of upscale black professionals and political leaders, adopts the style of a Southern Baptist preacher of the 1960s. He alters his cadences and delivery to both berate and gin up the large audience — posing as a messianic figure who will “march” them out to speak truth to power. In response, the omnipresent Rep. Maxine Waters goes public yet again, to object that the president has no right to rally blacks in this way, when he does not adopt similar tones of admonishment with Jews and gays. (Should Obama try to emulate the way he thinks gays and Jews talk in his next address to them?)

Hope-and-change has now sunk into little more than a tawdry spectacle of racial spoils, as the president of the United States desperately cobbles together squabbling special-interest racial, ethnic, and gender groups in lieu of restoring the nation’s prosperity. Before the age of Obama, I don’t recall that some members of the Black Caucus were so ready to invite political opponents to “go straight to hell,” or to allege that they were veritable murderers eager to lynch blacks and restore slavery.

Instead, a new insidious racism is supposedly energizing opposition to Obama, most expressly on the part of the Tea Party. Generally beloved actor Morgan Freeman alleged just that: Racism, not stupid policies, is what is hurting Obama — and by extension blacks in general.

But does the charge that racism is the basis for Obama’s current unpopularity have any empirical foundation? Barack Obama, himself half white, and a graduate of prep school and Ivy League universities, defeated Hillary Clinton in part because of the help and money of white liberals. He could not have defeated John McCain without sizable white support. The white vote, incidentally, split far more evenly than did the black vote, which went overwhelmingly for Obama, at well over 90 percent.

Indeed, there is something curious in the liberal argument that Obama, once deified as the ideal megaphone for progressive agendas, is now to be faulted for the current unpopularity of liberalism, given that he remains a far more effective advocate than Jimmy Carter and a far more doctrinaire leftist than Bill Clinton. It is almost as if liberal scapegoating of Obama is an attempt to shift responsibility for progressive failure from the message onto the hapless messenger — an unfairness that a Freeman would never discuss.....snip~

Obama
 
Geeeee.........who'da thunk it.... first black (half black actually) president ever, and racial drama????? Wow......staggering.

Yeah.....Who would have ever thought such besides all those Writers and including at the UK Telegraph and HUFF-PO, huh? Or are you attempting to say some one who is Half White and half Black cant be racial? Do you think there are people who are made up of more than one race and they can be racial and prejudice? What happened.....was there some special rule made up just for them? Or was that one of those go along rules just to make **** up?
 
Yet this changes nothing of what the majority in this country thinks now.....Does it? Doesn't matter what you or I think.....sure those who Support Obama can attempt to deny such. Yet it is the left looking for specific incidents.

No other President has been involved in more drama over Race......than Obama.
You have polling data that would indicate the majority feel Obama is the most racially divisive President in modern history? Feel free to share that.

Johnson, Roosevelt and Kennedy come to mind.

Also, ease up on that Google result spam, especially when you include Beck, Savage, and a smattering of blogosphere crackpot as sources you deem worthy of sharing.
 
Bottom line is this....Obama has been elected for second term and will be president until 2016 regardless of how much cry-babying some of you people do.

It'd seem to me to be a far better use of time to stop trying to tear him down, and start trying to build up a candidate that might be able to beat whoever the Dems put up in 2016.

Good luck with that by the way....because if past efforts are any indication you might be looking at 2020 from the losers bracket as well.

As I see it - BOTH parties are guilty of creating such a negative environment. By no means is the right innocent in being divisive. If Obama is "the most divisive" it's because the "other side" is feeding into that and nurturing it with reckless abandon.
 
You have polling data that would indicate the majority feel Obama is the most racially divisive President in modern history? Feel free to share that.

Johnson, Roosevelt and Kennedy come to mind.

Also, ease up on that Google result spam, especially when you include Beck, Savage, and a smattering of blogosphere crackpot as sources you deem worthy of sharing.

Hows that HuffPo, Telegraph, Daily News, and National Journal's Online Review doing? Also Beck has an audience of how many? So how many does he influence. Also you tend to forget that many like Savage and others are out there talking about and with those from groups on both sides of the aisle.

Which I didn't even Put Up anything from Hannity or anything from Fox News. Nor any issue specifically, regarding a racial issue.

So while there are some that will say Obama is not.....the majority says otherwise.
 
Bottom line is this....Obama has been elected for second term and will be president until 2016 regardless of how much cry-babying some of you people do.

It'd seem to me to be a far better use of time to stop trying to tear him down, and start trying to build up a candidate that might be able to beat whoever the Dems put up in 2016.

Good luck with that by the way....because if past efforts are any indication you might be looking at 2020 from the losers bracket as well.

As I see it - BOTH parties are guilty of creating such a negative environment. By no means is the right innocent in being divisive. If Obama is "the most divisive" it's because the "other side" is feeding into that and nurturing it with reckless abandon.

By golly, you're right. There should never be criticism of the President, ever. After all, he was elected. Don't you get it? E. Lect. Ed.

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But Hannity TOLD me that Obama is divisive.What else do I need?

Freed of the necessity to think, I can devote more of my attention to more important matters like American Idol and the Kardashians.
 
Bottom line is this....Obama has been elected for second term and will be president until 2016 regardless of how much cry-babying some of you people do.

It'd seem to me to be a far better use of time to stop trying to tear him down, and start trying to build up a candidate that might be able to beat whoever the Dems put up in 2016.

Good luck with that by the way....because if past efforts are any indication you might be looking at 2020 from the losers bracket as well.

As I see it - BOTH parties are guilty of creating such a negative environment. By no means is the right innocent in being divisive. If Obama is "the most divisive" it's because the "other side" is feeding into that and nurturing it with reckless abandon.

Course no one said those on the Right weren't as divisive or polarizing. Despite the cries about those on the Right and the Whining of what they have caused. Even tho it was pointed out that Bush held the title for 3 years.

But the real bottomline is this.....30 Republican States, plus we have the House and the Money......which means no one needs to give in or kiss Obama's Azz. Not to mention there are 20 Democrat seats up in the Senate. Plus now there will be a few more that will be in some trouble over this gun legislation.

Obama is nothing more than a Lame Duck.....who is about to be sent off as a Carrier Pigeon.
 
Hows that HuffPo, Telegraph, Daily News, and National Journal's Online Review doing?

Also Beck has an audience of how many?

Also you tend to forget that many like Savage and others are out there talking about and with those from groups on both sides of the aisle.

Which I didn't even Put Up anything from Hannity or anything from Fox News.

So while there are some that will say Obama is not.....the majority says otherwise.
What? Point to an instance where I've touted any of those sources as reputable. Ever.

Who cares?

Again, who cares? Beck and Savage are absolute crackpots and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. Their opinions carry no more weight on any given issue than the "End is nigh" sign carriers under the overpass.

Never claimed you did. Reading comprehension anyone?

Blogs and bonehead commentators do not make up a majority.
 
My point was it reminds me of the Carter years. Doom and gloom, high energy prices, everyone in a panic about something, foreign threats multiplying... and no sign of effective leadership.

Oh HAIL NO! I was there as well. The Carter years and for that matter the Reagan years had the collapse of the S&L industry, Arab strangle hold on oil supplied to the USofA, Middle East wars we didn't start, and a real cold War with a Super Power that could wipe us off the face of the earth.

Now if by 'effective' leadership you mean running us off the fiscal cliff one more time, or launching ill thought through wars far from our shores and having little to do with national defense then yes we don't have that sort of 'effective' and thank goodness we don't, we can't stand another Iraqi 'victory' :doh

Doom and gloom- seems I hear nothing but that from the party not in the White House even as the indicators seem to be righting themselves. Despite all right wing ranting to the contrary the nation does seem to be coming back out of the near total collapse of our financial system. After meltdown of our diplomatic ties with our long time and long term allies over Iraqi and the strain that put on the Army we are coming back to a more mature relationship with our allies and finally addressing the over spending and ill conceived defense industry pet projects.

Ever since I can remember, and I can remember quite a ways back, Presidents have all given lip service to taming our dependence on oil, and yet any attempt to do so gets attacked as weak willy and some how Un-American. Arnold puffing his tobacco dick cigars, driving his Hummer and attacking his opponents as girlie men seems the poster child for the 'conservative' mindset.

The doom and gloom might be among certain folks who have thought the 'good ol' days' of the 50's is where we should freeze the nation. Problem is the rest of the world won't freeze in their subservient positions of back then.

While I don't think some very major problems will be effectively addressed the 'doom and gloom' factor is no where near the Oil crisis days, no where near the stagflation period, our misery index????

Please show me where the misery index is higher now than during Carter's years. Please show me where 'trickle down' has worked.

I just went and looked the misery indexes up-

Carter 22%
BushII 11.4%
Obama 12.6%

Current 9.68%
 
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What? Point to an instance where I've touted any of those sources as reputable. Ever.

Who cares?

Again, who cares? Beck and Savage are absolute crackpots and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. Their opinions carry no more weight on any given issue than the "End is nigh" sign carriers under the overpass.

Never claimed you did. Reading comprehension anyone?

Blogs and bonehead commentators do not make up a majority.

Right but then there is All that talk about all those on the Extreme Right.....then you tout all the Tea partiers. Then all Conservatives, Then All Republicans, which doesn't count any Independents. Moreover Guiterriez of Illinois accused Obama over the same thing with the Hispanics and Immigration. Plus there are hundreds of Articles about Hispanic and Black relations and as to why they are racial towards one another.

Who cares? All those that think Obama is a racially divisive President. Now do you think for one moment they care what others think? Do you think they can run around and say the same damn thing? Who Cares? Even Better would be who gives a **** as to who don't think the same thing as they do. Why would it even matter about those who oppose such a notion and what they think?
 
I don't think any of the presidents listed, were necessarily divisive, except Premier Obama. He is the only one I remember that actually seems to work towards it instead of it being an inadvertent byproduct of attempting to govern. Although, in many cases he has tried to be politically "smart" about it and let/encouraged his VP to make the more controversial statements.

Obama is, however, a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself. The disease is how Americans have reacted to changes, the greater adoption of socialistic ideals to sate their greed instead of working hard for what they get, and actually goes back much further than the times of the Presidents/Premiers listed. Some, Liberals and those further left on the spectrum have adopted socialist ideas and are trying to enslave us with socialism. This however was in response to growing corporatism which tries to enslave us to corporate entities. The people who just don't want to be enslaved by anyone are now left with fight or die.
 
But the real bottomline is this.....30 Republican States, plus we have the House and the Money......which means no one needs to give in or kiss Obama's Azz. Not to mention there are 20 Democrat seats up in the Senate. Plus now there will be a few more that will be in some trouble over this gun legislation.

Right. Which means stalemate. Which means both sides are doing their damndest to not give an inch EVEN AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PUBLIC.

Which creates division.

Which means there's more than one person, or one party responsible.

So that includes everyone in power on the right just as much as it includes Obama.

So it's not "Obama".

It's Washington.

They are ALL guilty.
 
You apparently are under the, imo, false assumption that America today is something actually worthy of being proud of.


at least those presidents dont betray their countries
 
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