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Dividing the United States

I have never seen a President divide the Country more than

  • Obama

    Votes: 24 50.0%

  • Bush (W)

    Votes: 21 43.8%

  • Clinton

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Bush

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Reagan

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • Carter

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    48
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GmH

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In my lifetime, I have never seen a President try to divided a country more than Obama. He campaigned on being the great uniter and ends up being just the opposite. The examples are too numerous to list.
 
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GmH said:
In my lifetime, I have never seen a President try to divided a country more than Obama. The examples are too numerous to list.
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C'mon, give it a shot, you can do it!
 
To be honest, lately I've been feeling like it was 1978. Misery index, nuclear whatnot, foreign threats, and no leadership...
 
Goshin said:
To be honest, lately I've been feeling like it was 1978. Misery index, nuclear whatnot, foreign threats, and no leadership...
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What do you think he should be doing about the misery index and nuclear whatnot (and how does that even relate to this thread)?
 
I don't think the President (any President) is dividing the country. I don't even think that the country is really that divided relative to the historical record. I think the polarization of Congress as an institution, and the advent of the 24 hour news cycle and the age of social media give people the IMPRESSION that the country is divided.

I don't really think the country is all that divided, I think our government is and it is contributing to their failure to govern.
 
GmH said:
In my lifetime, I have never seen a President try to divided a country more than Obama. He campaigned on being the great uniter and ends up being just the opposite. The examples are too numerous to list.
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This question won't end well.
 
Curse Obama for going what he thinks is best rather than following a populist agenda!
 
As far as I can tell, Obama is "dividing" the country by holding political positions that are not always conservative.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I don't think the President (any President) is dividing the country. I don't even think that the country is really that divided relative to the historical record. I think the polarization of Congress as an institution, and the advent of the 24 hour news cycle and the age of social media give people the IMPRESSION that the country is divided.

I don't really think the country is all that divided, I think our government is and it is contributing to their failure to govern.
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So basically the liberal argument is this..

We the people elect the representatives.
We the people are not divided.
The representatives we elect are divided.

:lamo
 
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Henrin said:
So basically the liberal argument is this..

We the people elect the representatives.
We the people are not divided.
The representatives we elect are divided.

:lamo
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My argument has jack to do with liberalism. Congress as an institution is more polarized than the general populace or even just the general electorate. There are systematic reasons for this.
 
Cardinal said:
What do you think he should be doing about the misery index and nuclear whatnot (and how does that even relate to this thread)?
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My point was it reminds me of the Carter years. Doom and gloom, high energy prices, everyone in a panic about something, foreign threats multiplying... and no sign of effective leadership.
 
StillBallin75 said:
My argument has jack to do with liberalism. Congress as an institution is more polarized than the general populace or even just the general electorate. There are systematic reasons for this.
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Of course, it's the system that is making the congress not match the peoples views. That has to be it.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I don't think the President (any President) is dividing the country. I don't even think that the country is really that divided relative to the historical record. I think the polarization of Congress as an institution, and the advent of the 24 hour news cycle and the age of social media give people the IMPRESSION that the country is divided.

I don't really think the country is all that divided, I think our government is and it is contributing to their failure to govern.
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Excellent point
 
Goshin said:
My point was it reminds me of the Carter years. Doom and gloom, high energy prices, everyone in a panic about something, foreign threats multiplying... and no sign of effective leadership.
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Which didn't answer my question.
 
Cardinal said:
Which didn't answer my question.
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And you expect me to have all the solutions that the government seems unable to devise... why? :)
 
For my part I think certain media outlets have agendas that are set to divide the country much more so than politicians.
 
Goshin said:
And you expect me to have all the solutions that the government seems unable to devise... why? :)
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Well, before you criticize leadership perhaps you should form an opinion on what you think it should be doing instead.
 
Someone voted for G.W. Bush. :2rofll: I suppose a vote for G.W. Bush was actually a vote for Al Gore. What a poor loser that guy was.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, before you criticize leadership perhaps you should form an opinion on what you think it should be doing instead.
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I have my opinions on what should be done, naturally... and we could derail this thread talking about the specifics of dozens of issues.

But the point is that things are not looking good and most people have no confidence in our country's leadership, and I pointed out how much this reminded me of the late 70s.

If I had all the answers, bud, I'd run for Prez myself... :lamo
 
Goshin said:
I have my opinions on what should be done, naturally... and we could derail this thread talking about the specifics of dozens of issues.

But the point is that things are not looking good and most people have no confidence in our country's leadership, and I pointed out how much this reminded me of the late 70s.

If I had all the answers, bud, I'd run for Prez myself... :lamo
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If you weren't up for discussing superior leadership strategies you shouldn't have criticized his leadership. Your post amounted to no better than a drive-by, and one irrelevant to the thread at that.

You do that a lot you know, though I'm not sure you're aware of it.
 
Goshin said:
To be honest, lately I've been feeling like it was 1978. Misery index, nuclear whatnot, foreign threats, and no leadership...
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Same here, but I don't think Carter was trying to divide the country politically. I believe his intentions were good. I can't really say the same about the current prez.
 
lizzie said:
Same here, but I don't think Carter was trying to divide the country politically. I believe his intentions were good. I can't really say the same about the current prez.
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Have you even listened to am radio? It's an infinity-lengthed infomercial against liberals. Literally every to every other sentence has the words "liberal" or "the left" in it. When your agenda is to convince one half of the nation that the other half is your enemy, that crap is divisive. And it's much more harmful to the country than practically anything a politician does because when a country is this polarized, it guarantees that no matter how bad an idea is, at least 50% of the population will support it.
 
spud_meister said:
Curse Obama for going what he thinks is best rather than following a populist agenda!
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What he thinks best . . . for the Democratic Party. He has copped to this more than once.
 
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