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North Korea - Your Gut Says....

North Korea is

  • saber rattling like a champ - not a real threat - never was

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • a spoiled brat seeking attention - not a real threat

    Votes: 12 27.9%

  • trying to provoke US/SK into striking first

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • a real threat

    Votes: 5 11.6%

  • a teeny-tiny threat - but still something we should watch

    Votes: 12 27.9%

  • other - please explain

    Votes: 5 11.6%
  • Total voters
    43
Dragonfly said:
That's not our job to do. It didn't work in Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Why the hell would you propose doing such a thing in NK?
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I just think we should blow up their nuclear facilities. The rest is optional.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Do you honestly think that China will simply allow that? They were none too happy when South Korea was aided in 1950. What would the US do if China decided to take over Mexico which, after all, is an admitted basket case run by a corrupt gov't too.?
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The US would do nothing since they apparently are going to do nothing now. China taking over Mexico wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
 
Dragonfly said:
What's your gut feeling about North Korea these days?

Massive saber rattling?

Spoiled brat new leader just looking for attention, and only knows one way to get it?

Trying to provoke another country (South Korea/USA) to strike NK first?

Serious threat?
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I say no.This is not the first time North Korea has pulled some ****.Its like they throw a tantrum every few years to let the world know they still exist.


Here is a list of **** North Korea has done.
List of border incidents involving North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Dragonfly said:
What's your gut feeling about North Korea these days?

Massive saber rattling?

Spoiled brat new leader just looking for attention, and only knows one way to get it?

Trying to provoke another country (South Korea/USA) to strike NK first?

Serious threat?
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Like father, like son:

North-Korean-leader-Kim-Jong-Il.jpeg
 
Because of now threatening - even vowing - to use nuclear weapons at any minute and stating intending to do so, I think we should hit N. Korea with everthing we got. Kill that little punk too.
 
I know this is not rational thought, but the OP asks what my gut says.
I have a friend that has a 5 year old kid. This kid is in charge of the house, his parents and all he surveys. Adults cant talk to each other, he gets between them and demands they talk to him. He participats in decisions and has input into pretty much anything adults might be discussing. He has anger fits and throws one any time he dont get his way. He is not very mature for his young age and behaves abysmally and will do whatever he has to to receive attention.

There is a picture of Kim Jung un standing in front of a couple of generals, he looks just like that kid. I think if the kid had a nuke the first time his video game did not work he would nuke the world. So would Kim Jong Un.
 
Dragonfly said:
None of that's new stuff. Some is being refuted. Some sources say nothing is moving in NK as far as troops or tangibles.

NK has been making "threatening noise" for decades.

Why take it so seriously now?

Why not let Japan, China, Russia, and SK worry about their piss-ant little neighbor?

Why is it the USofA's fight?
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What's new is even though NK has been making "threatening noise" for decades, the specifics are new with numerous unprecedented actions and threats including but not limited to publicly declaring nuclear war on on the United States of America. Classifying that under the same vague generalities as "noise" in the past is IMHO willfully sticking our heads in the sand.

Secondly, the country is the same but the dictator is relatively new. We knew Kim Jong Il was only blackmailing us to get money. No one has yet to figure out Lil' Kim except he has nukes, he acts like he wants to use them and he's not couching his statements of intent to use them with any sort of willingness to change him mind if only he had money for (fill-in-the-blank).
Why not let Japan, China, Russia, and SK worry about their piss-ant little neighbor?
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Because he's not threatening to nuke Beijing or Moscow, he's threatening the United States. Plus, The US Military is Japan's military and we have treaty obligations with South Korea.
 
You people crack me up.

Lil Kim is the new kid on the block. Of course he has to make more noise than his father made.

How else will anyone take him seriously.

NK is not some bizarre Muslim dominated country that believes in 78 virgins in heaven and martyrdom for taking on the blasphemers in the West.

Pakistan has nukes. I don't see anybody who cares.

KJ-U is making a fuss so you'll notice him.

Somebody in another thread said it'd be funny if every time KJ-U 's name was mentioned Obama would ask "who?"

Who would be talking about NK if that little guy wasn't stomping around trying to scare people?

If he didn't ratchet up the rhetoric people would simply ignore him as they did his father.

He has to up the game to be noticed.
 
Somewhere between tiny threat and serious threat. Mid-level threat that has the potential to become serious over time.
 
Dragonfly said:
What's your gut feeling about North Korea these days?

Massive saber rattling?

Spoiled brat new leader just looking for attention, and only knows one way to get it?

Trying to provoke another country (South Korea/USA) to strike NK first?

Serious threat?
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One from column A, one from column B...

He learned from his father this is the way to keep his people isolated and receive the necessary material support from everyone else in the world. He won't back down until he sees there's a way for him to call this a win, to tell his people he made the majors back down (the details of negotiations just have to make the lie convincing enough to his sheltered population).

It's the squeeky wheel asking for more grease.
 
Helix said:
my guess is that he doesn't intend to launch something. however, he's ratcheted up tensions to the point where a stray shot could cause a major crisis.

my other feeling is that China, as the regional powerhouse, needs to be the one dealing with this.
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This is my thought, as well. I don't think he intends anything to happen, but he's wreckless and immature enough that he might cause it anyway.

From what I understand, China's open displeasure with him is only causing him to be more wreckless.
 
radcen said:
This is my thought, as well. I don't think he intends anything to happen, but he's wreckless and immature enough that he might cause it anyway.

From what I understand, China's open displeasure with him is only causing him to be more wreckless.
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perhaps, but i'd rather have China dealing with NK.
 
I know the little pudgy guy is just pumping his chest but there are a lot of serious men with their guns out of their holsters.


All the time you read stories about a bunch of 20 something yr olds having a party and there is one guy in the kitchen showing off his pistol trying to act tough. And boom an unplanned round goes off.

Have a bad feeling that someone is going to let a round off and it is going to be like the Fourth of July.
 
radcen said:
I don't think he's crazy. I think he's extremely naive and sheltered.
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Well you kinda got to get into what we mean by "crazy", there. It could be his a priori beliefs simply don't match what we see as reality. Maybe this guy saw the remake of Red Dawn and thought it was a piece of state propaganda by the US government to convince it's populace to fight on after their inevitable defeat by the mighty north korean forces :shrug:

Alternately, it could very well be the "oh crap this guy is disconnected from reality" is an intentional projection

Stratfor has an interesting analysis on that line:

...North Korea, of course, has been doing this for years and doing it successfully, so what appears absurd on the surface quite obviously isn't. On the contrary, it has proved to be a very effective maneuver. North Korea is estimated to have a gross domestic product of about $28 billion, about the same as Latvia or Turkmenistan. Yet it has maneuvered itself into a situation where the United States, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea have sat down with it at the negotiating table in a bid to persuade it not to build weapons. Sometimes, the great powers give North Korea money and food to persuade it not to develop weapons. It sometimes agrees to a halt, but then resumes its nuclear activities. It never completes a weapon, but it frequently threatens to test one. And when it carries out such tests, it claims its tests are directed at the United States and South Korea, as if the test itself were a threat.

There is brilliance in North Korea's strategy. When the Soviet Union collapsed, North Korea was left in dire economic straits. There were reasonable expectations that its government would soon collapse, leading to the unification of the Korean Peninsula. Naturally, the goal of the North Korean government was regime survival, so it was terrified that outside powers would invade or support an uprising against it. It needed a strategy that would dissuade anyone from trying that. Being weak in every sense, this wasn't going to be easy, but the North Koreans developed a strategy that we described more than 10 years ago as ferocious, weak and crazy. North Korea has pursued this course since the 1990s, and the latest manifestation of this strategy was on display last week. The strategy has worked marvelously and is still working....
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Alright, I think I figured it out. Went to the movies today and saw a film called Olympus Has Fallen. In this movie, a highly trained North Korean elite commando group shoots down two F22s, commandeers the White House, wipes out its entire defensive systems and kills all of the White House Marine Corp Honor Guards as well as the entire Presidential Secret Service corp. Obviously America wins in the end but before its over they execute the Prime Minister of South Korea, take President, the Vice-President, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff hostage at the White House underground crisis bunker where they control the US ICBM system. They force the country to withdraw all troops from the Korean peninsula, send the 7th Fleet out of the Sea of Japan and come within 3 seconds of turning the United States into a nuclear wasteland with our own nuclear arsenal. Kim Jong Un must have gotten a pirated copy of the movie and got on an ego trip for the history books.

Olympus Has Fallen l Official Site l Coming March 22 2013
 
his dad got money and supplies given to him for not making nukes..
now this guy is going ape for some other handout....or
china needs a military economic shot in the arm and you guys are more than willing to lend a hand for the other side...

kids will die...people's lives will be ruined...but hey some of us made money sooooo
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Do you honestly think that China will simply allow that? They were none too happy when South Korea was aided in 1950. What would the US do if China decided to take over Mexico which, after all, is an admitted basket case run by a corrupt gov't too.?
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Mexico isn't nearly as big a threat to world security as NK is.
 
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