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If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

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Arbo said:
Your repeated claims of 'right-wing' are personal swipes. But they are incorrect, thus make you look foolish. And you keep on showing that you have zero comprehension of my initial post...
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Arbo- this isn't your first day on this web site. You are a well known right wing mouthpiece. Right wing isn't a personal attack. Right wingnut, perhaps but you are either right wing, left wing or moderate....you are alot of things, moderate ain't one of them... :lol:

But back on topic- you gave ZERO evidence anyone would force any Church to perform SSM. It is, as always, a right wing fearorist attack.

You got caught letting loose your bias and now want to try and backtrack it.

No evidence
No quotes
No common sense

100% right wing knee jerk pap. :peace
 
Arbo said:
Are you two related, or just suffering from the same lack of comprehension issue?
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It sounds like the concept of a straw man is well beyond your capabilities.

My apologies for thinking you might be able to learn what means.
 
notquiteright said:
Arbo- this isn't your first day on this web site. You are a well known right wing mouthpiece.
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Yeah, that's why I support abortion, SS marriage (and have been calling out the bible thumpers on another thread), legalized drugs and so much more, because I'm a right-wing mouthpiece. Good lord you have a huge desire to look foolish.
 
Gardener said:
It sounds like the concept of a straw man is well beyond your capabilities.
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It is understood that you and your bro'man could not comprehend what I wrote, no need to keep wasting space in the thread with failed attempts to try and spin it as something else.
 
tessaesque said:
That's my point. Unless the church wants to abide by anti-discrimination laws (which might contradict their core beliefs), then they should forfeit their legal authority to authorize/confirm/validate a state-recognized marriage.
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So, you're saying that a church that does not perform gay marriages should be required to "forfeit their legal authority" to perform marriages recognized by the state? I can't say I agree with that, especially since that's not the case now.

I do agree with no human sacrifice. Lol.
 
I do not believe churches nor charities should have tax exempt status. That is just another way of saying the government (us) pay for them with no say of what the $$ is for. We have to pay to make up the difference.
 
X Factor said:
So, you're saying that a church that does not perform gay marriages should be required to "forfeit their legal authority" to perform marriages recognized by the state? I can't say I agree with that, especially since that's not the case now.

I do agree with no human sacrifice. Lol.
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I'm saying if churches are exempted from discrimination law, they should not be legally capable of validating a state-issued marriage license. That may not be the case now, and if it isn't that's really sad.
 
This is the same lame propoganda that the Mormons used during prop 8. Churches will not be forced to perform gay marriages. They are protected under the establishment clause.
 
Arbo said:
I don't think it beyond belief that those on the left, that generally scream about the 'wall' between church and state would possibly consider forcing churches to do something against their religious beliefs.
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Sure, it's possible but in my experience, the large majority of people that support SSM have no interest, and, in fact, strongly oppose forcing churches to do anything (and so far, the poll is bearing that out).
 
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X Factor said:
Sure, it's possible but in my experience, the large majority of people that support SSM have no interest, and, in fact, strongly oppose forcing churches to do anything (and so far, the poll is is bearing that out).
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Indeed, X, if only because who wants to have a hostile person officiating the ceremony? There are plenty of churches and officials out there willing to accept SSM. There is no need for force.

Thanks for saying that, btw. :)
 
X Factor said:
Sure, it's possible but in my experience, the large majority of people that support SSM have no interest, and, in fact, strongly oppose forcing churches to do anything (and so far, the poll is bearing that out).
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That may be the case, but we wouldn't know for sure unless SSM was made legal across the nation, and then watch to see what happened from there. However some might argue that the whole thing about religious institutions being forced to add birth control to coverage for workers might hint in the direction of the 'possibility' that I suggested possible.
 
No, I'm quite content with just imagining the pope tied to a chair forced to watch while I'm going down on ----oh what was i saying... Well, since churches get tax benefits...I mean, no and there's 6 churches in every shanty town in this country, so I don't see how to enforce this anyway.
 
Arbo said:
That may be the case, but we wouldn't know for sure unless SSM was made legal across the nation, and then watch to see what happened from there. However some might argue that the whole thing about religious institutions being forced to add birth control to coverage for workers might hint in the direction of the 'possibility' that I suggested possible.
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They shouldn't be forced to. But they should lose their tax exempt status and be reclassified as as something more along the lines of an ethnic club, unrelated their stance on SSM..................
 
Bonzai said:
They shouldn't be forced to. But they should lose their tax exempt status and be reclassified as as something more along the lines of an ethnic club, unrelated their stance on SSM..................
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Thanks for pretty much proving my point... you are not the only one.
 
Bonzai said:
They shouldn't be forced to. But they should lose their tax exempt status and be reclassified as as something more along the lines of an ethnic club, unrelated their stance on SSM..................
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If you vote in the poll, you should vote yes. That's exactly the type of thing I was asking about.
 
Of course not. It's ridiculous to think for a moment that any church can or should be forced to marry anyone. It's perfectly legal for a Jew and a Catholic to marry... but most Rabbis and Priests will refuse to perform such a ceremony on religious grounds, and quite frankly that's fine. I guarantee that if SS couples wish a religious ceremony, there are plenty of religious folk who will be willing to perform it.
 
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No, forcing a church to perform a gay marriage violates their religious doctrine and thus violates Separation of Church and State.
 
Of course not, churches are not forced to perform *ANY* marriages. They don't have to perform interracial marriages now, why would they be forced to perform gay marriages in the future? Anyone who thinks they will be is an idiot.
 
Of course no one should be forced to perform ceremonies. Each church can decide who and what they want to perform Holy Matrimony. SSM should be legal and eventually will be. Yet, firmly individual churches are within their rights for whatever customs or belief systems they hold within.
 
American said:
If this becomes the case gays are welcome to form their own non-profit churches and perform their own weddings. Besides, you don't have to go to church to get married anyway.
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That should be reason enough for conservatives to not care about gay marriage, because its not a religious function. Unfortunately many want the government to be an enforcer of the morals of their church.
 
X Factor said:
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
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simply answer, of course not


churches have the right to discriminate and they already do every day, gay marriage has no impact on this. religious marriage and legal marriage have zero to do with each other unless the people involved want it too.
 
Wiseone said:
That should be reason enough for conservatives to not care about gay marriage, because its not a religious function. Unfortunately many want the government to be an enforcer of the morals of their church.
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Many people want the government to enforce their morals, that's not just true of religious people or conservatives.
 
X Factor said:
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
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Don't be silly, of course not. Churches have always been permitted to marry whoever they want.
 
Arbo said:
I don't think it beyond belief that those on the left, that generally scream about the 'wall' between church and state would possibly consider forcing churches to do something against their religious beliefs.
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Right after we take away all your guns....
 
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