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If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

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X Factor said:
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
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No. Just because something is legal does not mean that everyone has to or should be forced to accept it or follow it. People should be able to choose to do something or not. (which is one of my main objections to Obamacare.)
 
Arbo said:
I didn't say they were, I said I don't think it is beyond belief that they would possibly try such a thing. Reading comprehension is fundamental.
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And I was thinking you weren't thinking when you posted it isn't beyond belief 'they' would possibly try such a thing. You have no facts to point to, just your own bias. So you was just throwing your bias out there when NO ONE has proposed forcing Churches to conduct marriages BUT the radical right. I can read just fine, and know who has been the only ones suggesting a same sex marriage law would force the Churches to do any such thing... ya might as well own it.... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
I can read just fine,
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If you could, you never would have asked the first question, and you certainly wouldn't have gone on a fail of a rant like you just did.
 
Over here the Church of England and (for reasons not immediately clear to me or it) the disestablished Church in 'Wales' were actually forbidden to perform single-sex marriages, as I understand it, in case they should be challenged on human-rights grounds. The likelihood of any church's being forced to perform such marriages is (outside the closed right-wing mind at least) about zero, I should say.
 
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Arbo said:
And another meaningless drive by from where the busses don't run.
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If you are ignorant of the term "straw man", there are certainly ways at your disposal to rectify it.
 
Gardener said:
If you are ignorant of the term "straw man", there are certainly ways at your disposal to rectify it.
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Nope, I know what it is, but that was only a small fraction of the problem with your drive by failure.
 
Arbo said:
If you could, you never would have asked the first question, and you certainly wouldn't have gone on a fail of a rant like you just did.
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Laffing, no I was just pointing out the ONLY people claiming a same sex marriage law would force churches to do the marriage are firmly stuck on the 'conservative' side of our political spectrum. When I ask just who on the left side was considering this you can't name anyone.

just some more knee jerk right wing babble with absolutely nothing to back it up... :roll:
 
notquiteright said:
just some more knee jerk right wing babble with absolutely nothing to back it up... :roll:
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As if your spelling isn't bad enough, you throw on top of it poor logic and faulty assumptions. Great job.
 
X Factor said:
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
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Skipping to the end of the thread and I'm sure this has been said eight zillion times already, but that would be in violation of the barrier between church and state.
 
Van Basten said:
No.

Separation of church and state apparently doesn't matter when screwing the church over is the proposal. A curious thing.
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And you would be wrong.
 
X Factor said:
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
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Absolutely not. Churches should have the right to freely decide who they'll allow to get married there.
 
Arbo said:
Nope, I know what it is, but that was only a small fraction of the problem with your drive by failure.
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So, how are those poll results working out for you there, child?
 
Arbo said:
As if your spelling isn't bad enough, you throw on top of it poor logic and faulty assumptions. Great job.
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dance away but the fact remains you have NO evidence anyone on the left wants to force Churches to perform SSMs, it is just the radical right who keeps claiming that.
 
No, churches should not be forced to do gay marriages as

1. Marriage is a civil rather than a religious institution

2. Churches are private entities and thus can discriminate however they want (bearing the obvious).
 
Gardener said:
So, how are those poll results working out for you there, child?
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notquiteright said:
dance away but the fact remains you have NO evidence anyone on the left wants to force Churches to perform SSMs, it is just the radical right who keeps claiming that.
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Are you two related, or just suffering from the same lack of comprehension issue?
 
X Factor said:
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
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Absolutely not. There should be no legal requirement on any church to marry anyone at all. I have known of specific churches and/or pastors who have abstained from marrying heterosexuals, because they didn't condone the marriage for one reason or another.
 
X Factor said:
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
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Churches aren't currently forced to perform heterosexual marriages, if such marriage is deemed to be contrary to the teachings of the church or the priest or clergy member involved believes the parties aren't serious or prepared to enter into marriage. Why would they be forced to perform gay marriages, if the state decides to sanction them, any more than heterosexual marriages?
 
NO
I doubt if there is a man, woman, or child who would think otherwise.
 
Arbo said:
Are you two related, or just suffering from the same lack of comprehension issue?
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Dunno, might be a long lost relative, but the point was what basis do you opine someone on the left would demand/ask/want Churches to be forced to conduct SSM?

No the lack of comprehension seems to be an ardent right winger trying to scuff a bit of dirt on everyone else's shoes... :lol:

You have zero evidence, zero intent and of course zero credibility.

What you did was just give voice to your bias, nothing more. Easy peasy to comprehend :2wave:
 
Arbo said:
With each post, you prove a bit more, how little you know.
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So just a personal swipe instead of honest debate? I know what you posted and how you lack ANY evidence to support your 'pondering'.

Only the Right Wing ranters keep fear alive with the specter of priests forced to marry same sex couples...
 
notquiteright said:
So just a personal swipe instead of honest debate? I know what you posted and how you lack ANY evidence to support your 'pondering'.
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Your repeated claims of 'right-wing' are personal swipes. But they are incorrect, thus make you look foolish. And you keep on showing that you have zero comprehension of my initial post...
 
My initial response might be "yes" but someone would have to define "forced" and "perform".
 
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