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What's your opinion on female soldiers?

How do you feel about female soldiers?

  • Like them, GI Jane is HOT

    Votes: 13 26.0%
  • Like them, but not on the front lines

    Votes: 10 20.0%
  • I'm a realist, I don't like them

    Votes: 5 10.0%
  • Potato

    Votes: 22 44.0%

  • Total voters
    50
We'll see. History would seem to be on my side here, however.

It's a new world, live in the now.

Progressives are also notorious for blatantly lying about the scope of their ambitions and the lengths they will go to achieve their goals in order to get a "foot in the door."

I don't care what evil plans "progressives" have. I'm not paranoid. Reasonable things should be done and crazy things should be avoided. A woman that can meet male standards and use standard gear, with or without long-term birth control, should have equal right to charge an mg nest and shoot those scumbags in the face.
 
Just as long as they have all the same exact requirements as the men I am fine with them being put anywhere... but currently women in the military do not need to reach the same physical requirements... not by a long shot. Some jobs it doesn't matter... but if it's in the field then yes absolutely.
 
I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.
I know, girls are so icky, what with the rampant epidemic of cooties and such.

First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.
Really? Because I was actually in the military, and a lot of them do their jobs well.

Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.
Define "caught in battle". You mean shot at? They do what all the other soldiers do. Engage the enemy until the opposition has either been destroyed, or surrendered.

Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.
Except that there have been female soldiers all throughout history, all throughout the world.

It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
You must be high.
 
Re: Women serving in combat with the IDF, just typical liberal social engineering propaganda.

>" It’s time to debunk the myth, once and for all, that Israel’s experience with allowing women in combat was successful and, therefore, should be duplicated by the Pentagon. It wasn’t successful. It was a disaster by Israel’s own admission.

“History shows that the presence of women has had a devastating impact on the effectiveness of men in battle,” wrote John Luddy in July 27, 1994, for the Heritage Foundation backgrounder.

“For example, it is a common misperception that Israel allows women in combat units. In fact, women have been barred from combat in Israel since 1950, when a review of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War showed how harmful their presence could be. The study revealed that men tried to protect and assist women rather than continue their attack. As a result, they not only put their own lives in greater danger, but also jeopardized the survival of the entire unit. The study further revealed that unit morale was damaged when men saw women killed and maimed on the battlefield,” Luddy said.

Writes Edward Norton, a reservist in the Israel Defense Forces: “Women have always played an important role in the Israeli military, but they rarely see combat; if they do, it is usually by accident. No one in Israel, including feminists, has any objection to this situation. The fact that the Persian Gulf War has produced calls to allow women on the front lines proves only how atypical that war was and how little Americans really understand combat.”

“Few serious armies use women in combat roles. Israel, which drafts most of its young women and uses them in all kinds of military work, has learned from experience to take them out of combat zones. Tests show that few women have the upper-body strength required for combat tasks. Keeping combat forces all male would not be discriminatory, as were earlier racial segregation schemes in the military, because men and women are different both physically and psychologically,” said the Feb. 5, 1990, National Review.

Furthermore, Israeli historian Martin Van Creveld has written extensively about the failure of the IDF to successfully integrate and use women in combat.

Finally, even Israeli citizens don’t relish the thought of allowing their women into combat roles. In 1998, a survey conducted by the Jerusalem Post newspaper found that 56 percent of Israelis don’t want women in combat.

There are now and always will be idiots who say the Pentagon should put women in any combat unit they wish to serve. Most of these people will speak with the ignorance of never having had to experience the horror of combat, as well as the luxury of never having to worry about engaging in armed conflict themselves.

But to use the “Israeli experience” as an allegedly successful model for the U.S. to follow is not only absurd, it’s disingenuous. It is a lie propagated by radical feminists like ex-Democratic Rep. Patricia Schroeder who have falsely claimed that such a goal is merely an extension of “the will of the people.”

Perhaps if more lawmakers – and Americans in general – were exposed to military service, the idiots who seem to be dominating this debate wouldn’t have many sympathetic ears. "<


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Read more at Debunking the Israeli ‘women in combat’ myth

Your source is World Net Daily, you'll need to find something better than that
 
It's a new world, live in the now.



I don't care what evil plans "progressives" have. I'm not paranoid. Reasonable things should be done and crazy things should be avoided. A woman that can meet male standards and use standard gear, with or without long-term birth control, should have equal right to charge an mg nest and shoot those scumbags in the face.

What the Obama administration plans to do is dumb down the standards. All branches of the military have been told that they have to show why the physical requirements are set as high as they are. If they can't be shown why they have to be lowered in the name of liberal social engineering.

If Obama in the name of political correctness and diversity has already lowered the academic standards for minorities in the military, why not physical standards ? That's the agenda.
 
What the Obama administration plans to do is dumb down the standards. All branches of the military have been told that they have to show why the physical requirements are set as high as they are. If they can't be shown why they have to be lowered in the name of liberal social engineering.

If Obama in the name of political correctness and diversity has already lowered the academic standards for minorities in the military, why not physical standards ? That's the agenda.

You're sure that crazy things are gonna happen because there is a domestic conspiracy to destroy the US military? Do you think Obama is a Muslim Kenyan?
 
Your source is World Net Daily, you'll need to find something better than that

WND listed their sources. I've actually read those sources some years ago. I could have provided a half a dozen links to those sources but I like it when liberals attack the messenger instead of the message.
 
WND listed their sources. I've actually read those sources some years ago. I could have provided a half a dozen links to those sources but I like it when liberals attack the messenger instead of the message.

Well I do have standards for my sources, after all not being an expert in many many many subjects I do have to know which sources are trustworthy and which aren't so they dont give me bad information.
 
You're sure that crazy things are gonna happen because there is a domestic conspiracy to destroy the US military? Do you think Obama is a Muslim Kenyan?

All you have to do is look at the shape of our military is today compared to four years ago.

I've read Obama's books and Obama believes that America shouldn't be a superpower. In fact Obama believes the entire world's playing field should be leveled where no country is better than any other country. That no country should have a stronger military than any other.

In Obama's own wordfs from "Dreams From My Father" Obama said "I never looked upon my self as an American but as an internationalist."

I think the face of the U.S. military scares Obama. He has said he wanted to change the face of the U.S. military and that's what he has been doing for the past four years.

Maybe what scares Obama and also many liberals is that only 3 % of the Officers Corps identify themselves as being liberal. Or that only 20 % serving in the military identify themselves as being Democrats.

Dumb down the military, change it's cultural, customs, traditions and it's regulations, it may make the military more attractive to liberals.
 
Well I do have standards for my sources, after all not being an expert in many many many subjects I do have to know which sources are trustworthy and which aren't so they dont give me bad information.

Do you know how to research a topic ? If you use Wikipedia you probably don't.
 
All you have to do is look at the shape of our military is today compared to four years ago.

I've read Obama's books and Obama believes that America shouldn't be a superpower. In fact Obama believes the entire world's playing field should be leveled where no country is better than any other country. That no country should have a stronger military than any other.

In Obama's own wordfs from "Dreams From My Father" Obama said "I never looked upon my self as an American but as an internationalist."

I think the face of the U.S. military scares Obama. He has said he wanted to change the face of the U.S. military and that's what he has been doing for the past four years.

Maybe what scares Obama and also many liberals is that only 3 % of the Officers Corps identify themselves as being liberal. Or that only 20 % serving in the military identify themselves as being Democrats.

Dumb down the military, change it's cultural, customs, traditions and it's regulations, it may make the military more attractive to liberals.


I consider myself an internationalist in some ways, and I'm a patriot. I don't think Obama is scared of anything, he's the pres.

Aside from being an internationalist of sort, I'm also a hawk. And ya know what? It kinda looks like Obama is too, or maybe that was mostly Hillary.
 
Well I do have standards for my sources, after all not being an expert in many many many subjects I do have to know which sources are trustworthy and which aren't so they dont give me bad information.

>" Women were active participants in Israel's 1948 war for independence. At some point during the war it was decided that women would no longer participate in battle but would fulfill other roles.

Women no longer participate in front line combat, but they train for it, and teach it to recruits. Many women have the status of "Kravi", or "Combat troops".

The Women's Corps was founded on May 16, 1948. Within a year it was decided that they would serve for the most part within male units but would still be part of the Women's Corps which would act as a professional support system for women in all branches of the IDF.

Women serve in support and combat support roles in the IDF, recently they have been allowed additional options but they still do not serve in active combat.


Around the world there has been some discussion about whether or not women should serve in active front-line combat. In Israel it is clear that despite the vast contribution of women in the military, active combat is not an option. This decision is based on the physical and biological differences between men and women but also for moral reasons. "< Women in idf

Funny, nobody has ever been able to produce any combat footage of women in the IDF fighting in combat. It's just a myth used by liberals to further their social engineering agenda.
 
I consider myself an internationalist in some ways, and I'm a patriot. I don't think Obama is scared of anything, he's the pres.

Aside from being an internationalist of sort, I'm also a hawk. And ya know what? It kinda looks like Obama is too, or maybe that was mostly Hillary.

Obama is an incompetent "Hawk." Obama is also an incompetent Cn'C.

Remember back in 2009 when General McChrystal requested a troop surge in Afghanistan ? It took Obama over three months to approve the surge while American troops were being killed and bleeding.

Do we need to touch on the ROE that Obama signed off on that favor the enemy and are getting our troops killed in Afghanistan ?

Did you hear the other week another Navy SEAL has come out who was on the Bin Laden raid. He confirms what former Navy SEAL Matt Bissonnette wrote in his book. That the other stories and the White House story are BS.

It also confirms that it was three months after we discovered where OBL was hiding before Sec. of Defense Panetta signed off on the actual mission, not Obama. That there were a number of times they (SEAL's) were ready to carry out the mission and they kept being told to stand down. That the mission was finally dropped in Admiral McRavens lap so if the mission failed the White House would lay all the blame on Admiral McRaven and the Navy SEAL's.

Benghazi, complete incompetency.

Having five Nimitz class carriers tied to the wharf next to each other in Norfolk and unable to put to sea shows that Obama is a national security risk.
 
Obama is an incompetent "Hawk." Obama is also an incompetent Cn'C.

Remember back in 2009 when General McChrystal requested a troop surge in Afghanistan ? It took Obama over three months to approve the surge while American troops were being killed and bleeding.

Do we need to touch on the ROE that Obama signed off on that favor the enemy and are getting our troops killed in Afghanistan ?

Did you hear the other week another Navy SEAL has come out who was on the Bin Laden raid. He confirms what former Navy SEAL Matt Bissonnette wrote in his book. That the other stories and the White House story are BS.

It also confirms that it was three months after we discovered where OBL was hiding before Sec. of Defense Panetta signed off on the actual mission, not Obama. That there were a number of times they (SEAL's) were ready to carry out the mission and they kept being told to stand down. That the mission was finally dropped in Admiral McRavens lap so if the mission failed the White House would lay all the blame on Admiral McRaven and the Navy SEAL's.

Benghazi, complete incompetency.

Having five Nimitz class carriers tied to the wharf next to each other in Norfolk and unable to put to sea shows that Obama is a national security risk.

The president of the US is scared of the military politically and diplomatically and is thus attempting to destroy it? And, I suppose, previous Dem presidents also attempted to destroy the US military because they feared it politically and diplomatically?

Are you saving a part where Obama is trying to kill off vets?

The thing is, there are not enough lunatics in this country to vote that monster you see into office, let alone to stand aside and watch it happen. Your accusations to motive are about as viable as Bush working with AlQ to cause 911.
 
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The president of the US is scared of the military politically and diplomatically and is thus attempting to destroy it? And, I suppose, previous Dem presidents also attempted to destroy the US military because they feared it politically and diplomatically?

Are you saving a part where Obama is trying to kill off vets?

The thing is, there are not enough lunatics in this country to vote that monster you see into office, let alone to stand aside and watch it happen.


That's why we have the Second Amendment.

Wait a second, that also is under attack by Obama.
 
That's why we have the Second Amendment.

Wait a second, that also is under attack by Obama.

Well... at least you think he is a cunning, thorough and effective saboteur, that shows some respect for the office. You and the Truthers share that.

Do you believe Obama was born in America and is not a Muslim?
 
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Well... at least you think he is a cunning, thorough and effective saboteur, that shows some respect for the office. You and the Truthers share that.

Do you believe Obama was born in America and is not a Muslim?

Why would you put me in the category with the "birthers" ?

I believe Obama was born in Hawaii but I'm also a Constitutionalists and have also studied "The Laws of Nations" and I read the notes of the authors of the Fourteenth Amendment who also quote the "Laws of Nations", "Son follows the condition of his father." It was the law of the land until 2008.

It's my opinion that Obama is a "Native Born U.S. Citizen." He is not a "Natural Born Citizen" because his father was a British Subject and a citizen of Kenya.


Remember this poll back in January "

>" Sixty-three percent of registered voters in the U.S. buy into at least one politicalconspiracy theory, according to results from a recent Fairleigh Dickinson University PublicMindPoll. The nationwide survey of registered voters asked Americans to evaluate four different political conspiracy theories: 56 percent of Democrats and 75 percent of Republicans say that atleast one is likely true. This includes 36 percent who think that President Obama is hidinginformation about his background and early life, 25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance, and 19 percent who think the 2012 Presidential election was stolen.Generally, the more people know about current events, the less likely they are to believe inconspiracy theories – but not among Republicans, where more knowledge leads to greater belief in political conspiracies. "< Fairleigh Dickinson poll on conspiracy theories

By any chance ecofarm, are you a "Truther" ? 37 % of Democrats seem to be "Truthers." They are nuttier that the "birthers."
 
I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.

First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.

Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.

Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.

It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.

When I was in the infantry I occasionally took part of the zeitgeist. If every Marine was supposed to be a rifleman, and women were incapable of being riflemen, how could women be Marines? It was more of a commonly accepted joke than a fervently defended belief because we only very rarely interacted with female Marines.

Since leaving the Infantry, I've been fortunate enough to serve with females who have powerfully disabused me of that notion - while I still think putting them in the infantry would be very problematic, there are indeed Marines who happen to be female rather than Females who call themselves Marines. Sure you get alot of drama seekers. Take a girl who wasn't much in High School, and then put her in a scenario where she is one of 10 females out of 120 people, and all the males are usually young, fit, and more likely to be alpha-type personalities, it's hard to see how they wouldn't enjoy and take advantage of the attention. :shrug: That's one of the strongest temptations, when you're young.

But you get those who rise above. I had a female corporal under me who I fought like hell to get meritoriously promoted to Sgt, and whom I would have no problem seeing fill the role of the first female SgtMaj of the Marine Corps. She embodied disciplined, motivated, professionalism. If I was stuck out there and heard that she was leading the team to come get me, I'd take sincere comfort in that, knowing it was only a matter of time. Depending on how generous I was feeling, I might even apologize to my captors for what was about to happen to them. Half a world away, and I still contact her when I have a question, and visa-versa.


Men and women arent' the same in every respect. The hollywood crap where 120 pound women throw 210 pound bruisers around like dolls with their super skills? That's crap. But women can still make fantastic Marines, and I rather tend to assume that they would be outstanding soldiers, sailors, or airmen as well.
 
Voted potato because this has to be the dumbest poll question I've seen in a looooooooooooooong time.
 
Why would you put me in the category with the "birthers" ?

I didn't put you in that catagory but I think your position is close, as it is close to Truthers. You contend massive subterfuge, to the level of 100s of compliant people all failing to blow a whistle, in a grand plot to take down the US military by the president and other lunatic agents already present or since assigned to the Federal Government Overthrow Project.

It's CT. It's not to the level of Truther or Birther, but it's gettin close so I thought I'd ask.
 
I didn't put you in that catagory but I think your position is close, as it is close to Truthers. You contend massive subterfuge, to the level of 100s of compliant people all failing to blow a whistle, in a grand plot to take down the US military by the president and other lunatic agents already present or since assigned to the Federal Government Overthrow Project.

It's CT. It's not to the level of Truther or Birther, but it's gettin close so I thought I'd ask.

Have you ever been inside the Pentagon ? Have you noticed all of those thousands of long time civilian employees ? Many are liberals who have been embedded with in the DOD for many years. Who do you think comes up with these social engineering agenda of changing the military ? Not those wearing the uniforms with in the Pentagon.

The word is, the left started to embed liberals who had an agenda with in the Pentagon going back to the early 1990's.

I think the best one was that the Navy SEAL's were to white. That the qualifications to be a SEAL should be lowered so those who can't swim can still be Navy SEAL's.
 
Have you ever been inside the Pentagon ? Have you noticed all of those thousands of long time civilian employees ? Many are liberals who have been embedded with in the DOD for many years. Who do you think comes up with these social engineering agenda of changing the military ? Not those wearing the uniforms with in the Pentagon. The word is, the left started to embed liberals who had an agenda with in the Pentagon going back to the early 1990's. I think the best one was that the Navy SEAL's were to white. That the qualifications to be a SEAL should be lowered so those who can't swim can still be Navy SEAL's.

Ahhh yes the ol' embed the lefties in the DoD trick! Time to call Maxwell Smart! Given the social engineering started with integrating the races in the Truman era,long before the civilian world gave it a thought in the deep South, I'd say your leftie embeds started way earlier than 1990. ;)

I'd double check where you are getting your word. The 90's was so after the fact on the start of social engineering. Ya gotta keep up!

Now I was a grunt, not grunt-like, not gruntish, not I could see grunts from the office window. it isn't how you carry a load but how you carry yourself. Mental toughness vs pure brawn. The ability to say FIDO one more time than the Mission required.

I'd opine what you have between your legs means very little outside the wire. As far as romance and friction in a unit, I'd say it is possible but so to are a couple of guys having a dust-up over a piece of tail, the last beer, a letter from home. (just between us who have been outside the wire with everything we own on our backs, a woman who can hump the ruck is not high on the glamour totem pole.) It is THE least glamorous job in the military, even old school KP was better. Every grunt knows he gets the crap end of the stick each and everyday, but stubborn pride and perhaps brain damage keeps the grunt under ruck and the filthiest human being around.

Now availability of 'tail' has changed since my day, females are present on every base these days, no matter how small. Who do you want, the female with short cropped hair, can carry 70 pounds all day in 100 and WHAT?! temps, farts and laughs about it, you have smelled her stank day after day out in the field, and have you seen her pits as you came back in from a two weeker???? :shock:

or that sweet little clerk who has long hair up in a bun, wears make-up to work, shaves her pits at least every other day, and wears perfume????

Most of the 'reasons' for keeping a qualified woman out of the ahhh Bush Bunch sound like the ones given not too long ago for keeping gay men out of a rifle squad.

Now about SEALS and swimming. Though the SEALS started as UDTs they have morphed into a super elite land force. It would seem prudent to have a split in the SEAL teams, a few can still be 'wet' but the bulk can concentrate on being dry.
 
Ahhh yes the ol' embed the lefties in the DoD trick! Time to call Maxwell Smart! Given the social engineering started with integrating the races in the Truman era,long before the civilian world gave it a thought in the deep South, I'd say your leftie embeds started way earlier than 1990. ;)

I'd double check where you are getting your word. The 90's was so after the fact on the start of social engineering. Ya gotta keep up!

Now I was a grunt, not grunt-like, not gruntish, not I could see grunts from the office window. it isn't how you carry a load but how you carry yourself. Mental toughness vs pure brawn. The ability to say FIDO one more time than the Mission required.

I'd opine what you have between your legs means very little outside the wire. As far as romance and friction in a unit, I'd say it is possible but so to are a couple of guys having a dust-up over a piece of tail, the last beer, a letter from home. (just between us who have been outside the wire with everything we own on our backs, a woman who can hump the ruck is not high on the glamour totem pole.) It is THE least glamorous job in the military, even old school KP was better. Every grunt knows he gets the crap end of the stick each and everyday, but stubborn pride and perhaps brain damage keeps the grunt under ruck and the filthiest human being around.

Now availability of 'tail' has changed since my day, females are present on every base these days, no matter how small. Who do you want, the female with short cropped hair, can carry 70 pounds all day in 100 and WHAT?! temps, farts and laughs about it, you have smelled her stank day after day out in the field, and have you seen her pits as you came back in from a two weeker???? :shock:

or that sweet little clerk who has long hair up in a bun, wears make-up to work, shaves her pits at least every other day, and wears perfume????

Most of the 'reasons' for keeping a qualified woman out of the ahhh Bush Bunch sound like the ones given not too long ago for keeping gay men out of a rifle squad.

Now about SEALS and swimming. Though the SEALS started as UDTs they have morphed into a super elite land force. It would seem prudent to have a split in the SEAL teams, a few can still be 'wet' but the bulk can concentrate on being dry.

In country 69-70 TAD 1/26 & 2/26 so I can say been there done that. Don't need anyone to remind me.

BTW: Welcome home.

Re: SEAL's. You might want to visit the Naval Amphibious Naval Base, Coronado Island in San Diego. I use to be an instructor at Coronado NAB and still have connections there.

The SEAL's are all about the water. A Marine recruit during boot camp is doing just as many push-ups, pull-ups, lifting logs and running just as many miles and experiencing sleep deprivation if not more than a sailor going through BUD's. The number one reason why those wash out of BUD's is because of the elements, the water, the cold, hypothermia. If you can't swim, if you can't handle the surf, can handle a raft in the surf and can't handle the cold Pacific ocean, you aren't going to make it.

There are nine SEAL Teams, SEAL Team Six was deactivated in the 1980's and is no longer under the control and command of the Naval Special Warfare Command. Each Seal Team has a specialty and most deal with the ocean. They either come from the sea and carry out their mission on land or conduct their missions on the water.

The fact are, some liberals tried to dumb down the Navy SEAL's in the name of diversity.

Your probably old enough to have never gone through Camp Snoopy. Your lucky, many soldiers aren't and they paid the ultimate sacrifice in the name of political correctness.

There was an acquaintance of mine, maybe you heard of him our even served with him ? We both thought alike and had the same agenda. His name was Col. Hackworth. He passed away about eight years ago years ago. But he had a message. -> http://www.hackworth.com/article04032002c.html
 
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