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Are public schools socialism?

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So..if you have enough money to send your idiot daughter/son to public school..they will emerge to be a genius?

£360,000 a year for Eton...

Old Boy's network..

careful, you may get a warning from one of the roving moderators for this ...
 
careful, you may get a warning from one of the roving moderators for this ...

Gasp...why?

Is Prince Charles a mod on here??
 
Yes, but probably not for the same reason you want to get rid of it. By the way, you did note how well America actually does in public education, correct? Also remember that success is after removing students who attend a private school, students who usually are more motivated for educational success.


No you are confusing me with someone else, IMO our public school system is a failure. I would be interested to know why you would be for abolishing the DOE though.
 
Gasp...why?

Is Prince Charles a mod on here??

for the "idiot" remark, and I have no idea if PC is one ... they do identify themselves on the left under their name etc. ...
 
What are you mad you got picked on or something?

I understand that public schools have a lot to be desired, although they frunction better than Congress, but thnk of all the children that have attended public schools and have done quite well, my two boys included ... I attended a Catholic high school and now I'm an agnostic ... go figure ...
 
for the "idiot" remark, and I have no idea if PC is one ... they do identify themselves on the left under their name etc. ...

Don't worry about me..I get infractions all the time..usually having been mortally insulted..I am a hothead..can't help it..

I always feel a horrible snitch reporting someone..I don't want to get anyone in trouble..

But others??...weell...

Whatever floats your boat..:cool:
 
Public schools are not Socialism, it is just an element of social infrastructure. Only Socialists and Conservatives claim that public schools is Socialism for propagandist assertions.
 
Don't worry about me..I get infractions all the time..usually having been mortally insulted..I am a hothead..can't help it..

I always feel a horrible snitch reporting someone..I don't want to get anyone in trouble..

But others??...weell...

Whatever floats your boat..:cool:

Most people I know went to public school and are doing well.
 
So..if you have enough money to send your idiot daughter/son to public school..they will emerge to be a genius?
Intelligence and knowledge are two completely separate things. But if I were to send my child to the school where I work (which is a district of roughly 850 students K-12 in a town of a little over 4000 people), and my child worked hard to become educated, they would emerge educated and ready for their next step in life.
social and economic inequality will be the death of this country if we don't address it ... I hope no one calls me a socialist for saying that ...
People can call you whatever they like, it won't change the fact you are correct.

No you are confusing me with someone else, IMO our public school system is a failure.
And I provided evidence to you which suggests it is not. Which is why I asked if you had read it.

I would be interested to know why you would be for abolishing the DOE though.
It's not because of the money, but rather because the idea of a "one size fits all" education is silly. What needs to be learned in Washington DC doesn't come close to what needs to be learned in an area like mine. The basics need to be taught, obviously, but many students where I live will benefit far more from learning about agriculture than learning why you shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition or how to properly cite sources (especially since both of those seem to change).

The money is not the problem. Providing a free and reduced lunch to poor students is a tremendous thing. Being able to purchase new technology for classrooms is wonderful. Having money to specialize education for special needs students is great. But federal programs like No Child Left Behind have been proven to be terrible.

Most people I know went to public school and are doing well.
I went to public school (the same one at which I now work). I did so well colleges were offering to pay me to attend. I chose a local 4 year university because it has a great area reputation for producing teachers, and I graduated having made money from attending college, on the back of only two scholarships.

Those who do not succeed in public education will usually fail for reasons other than the public education system itself.
 
Most people I know went to public school and are doing well.

So..if you are not intelligent..but your parent's have enough money to send you to a private school...

Will they make dumb asses clever?..

Or will they succeed in life because they have attended an impressive school.or their father's networking?

Surely not everyone who has access to infinite parental funds...is a bloody genius??
 
Don't worry about me..I get infractions all the time..usually having been mortally insulted..I am a hothead..can't help it..

I always feel a horrible snitch reporting someone..I don't want to get anyone in trouble..

But others??...weell...

Whatever floats your boat..:cool:


I don't think there's a lot of snitching ... there are moderators who also post and they're the ones that pull the trigger mainly, but I could be wrong aout that ... hopefully posters, including poster/moderators, will err on the side of freedom of speech ...
 
So..if you are not intelligent..but your parent's have enough money to send you to a private school...

Will they make dumb asses clever?..

Or will they succeed in life because they have attended an impressive school.or their father's networking?

Surely not everyone who has access to infinite parental funds...is a bloody genius??

Correct money makes life easier.
 
Most people I know went to public school and are doing well.

We just need to make the weaker schools better, perhaps starting with building more classrooms than prison cells and paying people to whom we entrust the things we love most in this world -- our children -- much more than we do ... Lebron James makes in a day roughly what a teacher makes in a year ... it will take a teacher roughly 365 years to make what he makes in one year ... I know why gets what he gets, but come on, there's something wrong with this picture, don't you think? ... (And please, no "But can these teachers dunk and hit a 15-foot jumper with someone hanging on them?")
 
I don't think there's a lot of snitching ... there are moderators who also post and they're the ones that pull the trigger mainly, but I could be wrong aout that ... hopefully posters, including poster/moderators, will err on the side of freedom of speech ...

I'm am on a lot of English forums..they are much more libertarian..you can call a spade a spade..

What makes me laugh on this forum is..hey..I can take a lot of abuse without bursting into tears..but if your opponent is losing the argument and you call them something like..''silly or stupid''...Next thing I know..I have a PM..from a mod...whilst they have been calling me a ****ing stupid **** for the last ten posts!:lamo
 
I'm am on a lot of English forums..they are much more libertarian..you can call a spade a spade..

What makes me laugh on this forum is..hey..I can take a lot of abuse without bursting into tears..but if your opponent is losing the argument and you call them something like..''silly or stupid''...Next thing I know..I have a PM..from a mod...whilst they have been calling me a ****ing stupid **** for the last ten posts!:lamo

Engish forums? Where? How? I'm looking for other forums and would love to be on one with folks outside of the U.S. ... and Canada (I added Canada because CanadaJohn is sensitive about our not remembering that Canada is a separate country) ...please give me some leads on these Brit Forums ...
 
Engish forums? Where? How? I'm looking for other forums and would love to be on one with folks outside of the U.S. ... and Canada (I added Canada because CanadaJohn is sensitive about our not remembering that Canada is a separate country) ...please give me some leads on these Brit Forums ...

Don't forget it either we are a separate country.
 
I'm a public school teacher. I LOVE teaching kids to learn to read and write. However, I cannot see myself doing this for the rest of my life. And by "this" I mean .... I spend A LOT of my time "testing" kids. Public teachers are now testing, tracking, testing, tracking, testing, tracking....and somewhere in there....teaching. It's WAY too much needless paperwork and busywork and not near enough time actually teaching. Not to mention the constant interruptions during the day....

I found this image the other day:

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I totally agree. But..... you're not allowed to do that in a public school. You're supposed to follow your lesson plans (and they'd BETTER be aligned to Common Core or you're in trouble). You cannot deviate from them at all or you'll never get through the curriculum for the year. It's push, push, push, test, test, test, worksheet, worksheet, worksheet, track, track, track... Not much time for the "fun" of learning. *sigh*
 
I agree that the strings attached to fed money is the problem, it's like taking money from the Mafia. As far as raising state tax though, that fed money comes from taxing us so if we gave them correspondingly less we could then tax more on a local level where it would be more wisely spent.

I agree, unfortunately states cannot afford to do so because of the feds. Elimination of estate taxes will actually hurt states more because those are largely pass through to the state of the decedent taxes, but otherwise the feds suck up the tax dollars to the tipping point so states cannot pile on.
 
Don't forget it either we are a separate country.

LOL. Don't worry, I won't forget -- on three different occasions I was stopped by U.S. customs coming back from Canada ... one time they stopped four families ... the only four that looked Latino .. Coincidence?
 
LOL. Don't worry, I won't forget -- on three different occasions I was stopped by U.S. customs coming back from Canada ... one time they stopped four families ... the only four that looked Latino .. Coincidence?

U.S. Customs is just full of mean people, everyone hates them. Don't worry they don't only hate Latinos, they hate everyone with the same burning passion.
 
U.S. Customs is just full of mean people, everyone hates them. Don't worry they don't only hate Latinos, they hate everyone with the same burning passion.

I feel much better ... :rock
 
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