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Are public schools socialism?

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captainawesome said:
Run for school board.

Also, if your kid can't read write or do math It's your fault as a parent. Not the teachers or some union. It's called personal responsibility.
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As I wrote, if the only game it town isn't teaching, how is that the parents, or the students responsibility?
 
ocean515 said:
As I wrote, if the only game it town isn't teaching, how is that the parents, or the students responsibility?
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Do homework get a tutor run for school board. Get involved.

Also please show a school where a kid has no opportunity to learn.
 
captainawesome said:
Do homework get a tutor run for school board. Get involved.

Also please show a school where a kid has no opportunity to learn.
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Vouchers. End of story. After that, you have a point.

The hyperbole of "no opportunity" doesn't cut it.
 
ocean515 said:
Vouchers. End of story. After that, you have a point.

The hyperbole of "no opportunity" doesn't cut it.
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Vouchers don't help lazy. If parent and kid don't care at public school why should we pay for private?

I am for vouchers only for the hard workers or disabled.
 
captainawesome said:
Vouchers don't help lazy. If parent and kid don't care at public school why should we pay for private?

I am for vouchers only for the hard workers or disabled.
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Then we are on the same page. Vouchers don't have to be for a private school. They can be for a public school the parents prefer.

After that, if you have lazy students, and disinterested parents, they can let the failed schools babysit the kids into oblivion.
 
no, it is not socialism. Who cares who starts a school as long as it conforms with the laws in the US. Also, non public schools have to be financially supported if they need to be supported as long as the schools are not commercial enterprises or are private schools that have high entrance fees in order to keep the school exclusive.
 
pinqy said:
Federal assistance to schools. Collect statistical data on schools. Ensure federal laws such as civil rights, privacy etc are in compliance. Student loans. Recognition of accrediting agencies.
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Good.
But the conservatives wish to do away with this...
Then as statistical data is collected, over time, say ten years, one would know which states have the best approach and which concepts do not work..
Are the states cooperating ?
 
Public Schools are socialism. So are police and other law enforcement, . fire depts, military branches, coast guard, public parks and pools, water depts, public works depts., public transportation, public museums, libraries, public hospitals and clinics, and every other tax payer supported government service.
 
Hard Truth said:
Public Schools are socialism. So are police and other law enforcement, . fire depts, military branches, coast guard, public parks and pools, water depts, public works depts., public transportation, public museums, libraries, public hospitals and clinics, and every other tax payer supported government service.
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Form of socialism, in that the means of production are owned by the people via the democratically elected government, sure.

It's not clear if you're saying this is good or bad or neither.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You would. Duhhh. Or do you hate your children?
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I'm not really qualified to teach a lot of the subjects my kids would learn in school. And I can still teach my children at home as part of the normal duties of a parent like all other parents do, the two are mutually exclusive.

Henrin said:
Private schools and other means of educational services provided by the market. In fact, the market can provide free education if people are willing to realize that potential. Yes, I have ideas on doing just that.
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How does it make market sense to run a free school? What kind of business is going to make money giving away its product for free?

PirateMk1 said:
They would do it themselves or hire someone. Just like they did before. And like before the your children would reap superior benefit then they do now, because the education is tailored to them. Not to mention the parents don't have to worry about extraneous bull**** that comes with a public school education.
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What do we do with people who cannot teach their own children due to work or other reasons, and what would they do with their kids during the day while they were at work, and what if they couldn't afford a private tutor?
 
Before we overhaul our methods of funding, we must overhaul our philosophy of education.
 
pinqy said:
Form of socialism, in that the means of production are owned by the people via the democratically elected government, sure.

It's not clear if you're saying this is good or bad or neither.
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Most of those tax payer funded services work out pretty well most of the time.
 
Hard Truth said:
Most of those tax payer funded services work out pretty well most of the time.
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Really? How much waste and fraud do you think there is in the system? Anytime benefits are offered for nothing, it brings out the worst in many...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Really? How much waste and fraud do you think there is in the system? Anytime benefits are offered for nothing, it brings out the worst in many...
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I don't think there is much waste or fraud. Also, it brings out the worst in some and the best in many.
 
Wiseone said:
How does it make market sense to run a free school? What kind of business is going to make money giving away its product for free?
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You are assuming the school is non-profit. I said nothing about the school not running for a profit, but that simply that profits wouldn't necessarily come from the consumers pockets. The model I would be using is just an already established profit model, but simply used here for educational uses. The business around the profit model are different, but the basic pieces are already being used today by billion dollar companies. I imagine I could pay the teachers more than anyone else if I get everything put together right. The only thing really holding me back is that I really know very little about how to teach students. :( I will need some guidance from some teachers on that part.
 
Are public water and wastewater systems socialism? Could public water and wastewater systems have developed without socialism?
 
Catawba said:
Are public water and wastewater systems socialism? Could public water and wastewater systems have developed without socialism?
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Of course wastewater systems and water systems could have been developed without government. The only real difference would be how they are run.
 
Henrin said:
Of course wastewater systems and water systems could have been developed without government. The only real difference would be how they are run.
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In what first world countries have public water and wastewater systems been developed without national financial support?
 
Henrin said:
You are assuming the school is non-profit. I said nothing about the school not running for a profit, but that simply that profits wouldn't necessarily come from the consumers pockets. The model I would be using is just an already established profit model, but simply used here for educational uses. The business around the profit model are different, but the basic pieces are already being used today by billion dollar companies. I imagine I could pay the teachers more than anyone else if I get everything put together right. The only thing really holding me back is that I really know very little about how to teach students. :( I will need some guidance from some teachers on that part.
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Let us all know when you wake up. LMMFAO
 
AreteCourage said:
Public schools have a problem. The problem isn't whether it is socialism or not..that is a bit trivial. The problem is that public schools institutionalize kids much like prisons institutionalize inmates.

We have a bureaucracy that makes teachers teach to a standardized test which does nothing to promote creativity or critical thinking. Students usually go through the same mundane schedule day in and day out. When they get to school around 7:30am to when they leave at around 3:00pm....it rarely changes. Same with prisons from those times....the same mundane schedule.

We need to change that because institutionalizing students is wrong. Schools should promote creativity and critical thinking. They should have schedules vary from week to week. Would that put a strain on the administrators? Sure, but we shouldn't worry about them...adapt. We worry about the kids in the schools, not the administrators who can handle themselves.

Got to get off standardized testing...it is stifling education.
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Good idea, how can we get it done?
 
Catawba said:
In what first world countries have public water and wastewater systems been developed without national financial support?
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None that I know of.
 
pbrauer said:
Let us all know when you wake up. LMMFAO
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Meh.. there is always naysayers. If you guys desire free education than I will do what I can to provide it while still being able to make a profit. That is not to say the request isn't stupid and childish, but if I feel that I have an idea to pull it off there is no reason to not do it.
 
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