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Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

Does "Political Correctness" violate "Free Speech"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 40.9%
  • No

    Votes: 24 54.5%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 2 4.5%

  • Total voters
    44
I'm not as upset with the idea of losing the job as I am the social issues that go with being accused of political incorrectness or failing to live up to the ideals of affirmative action. Obviously a private employer has the right to do whatever they want. However, I do not feel that there is a need for a bank manager to insult me and be extremely rude to me, in quite a loud voice when I inform him (quite politely) that I'm moving my accounts out of his bank because there are no male tellers left in any of their branches. I didn't offer the information as to why until he asked the third third (trying to be polite). Then he goes off on me about it. That was entirely unnecessary and quite rude.

not to mention that it was a waste of energy. anyone silly enough to throw some chauvinistic tantrum over the sex of a bank teller doesn't really deserve to be acknowledged one way or the other. personally, i wouldn't have done anything other than to ask you to leave and to not return until you mature a little. additionally, you would have left without your money.
 
The first article is a decade old, I still know of not a single idea I cannot discuss teaching. I did think of a co worker that got sent to sexual harrassment class. I think that was a lucky break for him, who knew you couldnt grab a girls butt? But ok, sure, the conservatives are disctiminated against, if Ann Coulter says it...
I think it's normal that you will face massive, even emotional disagreement by a majority, when you voice opinions that are in crass contrast to basic convictions the respective majority holds dear. Naturally, the opinions that trigger such a reaction differ with the respective group of people you're speaking to; naturally, other opinions will enrage the common liberal college student than, say, a veteran meeting, a KKK meeting or a church group.

Why this is "political correctness" and exclusive to the left will remain the secret of Ann Coulter and her friends. As there is such a thing as a right-wing "political correctness" too: Just dare saying to a random group of patriots that America committed war crimes, that war is evil or that America is not the greatest country on the planet, and the reaction you'll face will not be different than the one you describe. The only difference being that you disagree with one group, but agree with the other.
 
not to mention that it was a waste of energy. anyone silly enough to throw some chauvinistic tantrum over the sex of a bank teller doesn't really deserve to be acknowledged one way or the other. personally, i wouldn't have done anything other than to ask you to leave and to not return until you mature a little. additionally, you would have left without your money.

At which point he would have had a bank robbery on his hands. I was not leaving there without my money and I had the means to ensure it with me at the time.
 
Howdy!

So, we have "freedom of speech" but can we use it? What do you think?

:)

Sure, but if your'e a racist or a dick, you don't have a right to not be called a racist of a dick.
 
Howdy!

So, we have "freedom of speech" but can we use it? What do you think?

:)

Who's we? You're avi says you are from the USSR. Are you talking about your country or the United States?
 
Why this is "political correctness" and exclusive to the left will remain the secret of Ann Coulter and her friends. As there is such a thing as a right-wing "political correctness" too: Just dare saying to a random group of patriots that America committed war crimes, that war is evil or that America is not the greatest country on the planet, and the reaction you'll face will not be different than the one you describe. The only difference being that you disagree with one group, but agree with the other.

I did not say it was exclusive to the left, it is however more prevalent than it is on the right. And I agree that America hasn't always lived up to their ideals and have committed war crimes. However, those that do commit the crimes are punished for it more often than not. And I also agree war is evil, but there again it is sometime necessary. I will take acception that we are not the greatest country in the world. We may have are warts, but, more people want to live here than any place else.
 
I did not say it was exclusive to the left, it is however more prevalent than it is on the right. And I agree that America hasn't always lived up to their ideals and have committed war crimes. However, those that do commit the crimes are punished for it more often than not. And I also agree war is evil, but there again it is sometime necessary. I will take acception that we are not the greatest country in the world. We may have are warts, but, more people want to live here than any place else.

I don't want to argue with you about these points, as you may or may not be right; personally, I tend to agree with you. I'm just saying that there is a kind of "right-wing political correctness" too, when it comes to these topics.
 
Who's we? You're avi says you are from the USSR. Are you talking about your country or the United States?

Don't get carried away, Chris. :) Read carefully, is says EUSSR (European Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics), not USSR.

"We" stands for the countries that have "freedom of speech" as their official ideology.
 
The first article is a decade old, I still know of not a single idea I cannot discuss teaching. I did think of a co worker that got sent to sexual harrassment class. I think that was a lucky break for him, who knew you couldnt grab a girls butt? But ok, sure, the conservatives are disctiminated against, if Ann Coulter says it...

I'll give you a link to a current situation then, but as I said before a quick Google search can pull up many many more cases.

University Files Charges Against Student who Refused to Stomp on Jesus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Now, up until the time this student refused to stomp on Jesus he was able to attend class. Now all of a sudden this kid is facing all kinds of discipline from the school. Because the school will not make public exactly what this kid did to deserve their wrath we are left to wonder what is going on. Hopefully this kid goes public and forces the schools hand.

Added this one link also.

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/...for-opposing-planned-parenthood-in-classroom/
 
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It does not take a government to ban speech, they do it all the time in institutes of higher learning, i.e. universities and colleges. How many times have we read that a small group of malcontents shut down a speaker at a university or college campus because they fear, "hate speech?" It happens all the time, many in fact have speech codes in which you must follow and if you don't off to sensitivity training you go, or are expelled. High schools are doing much the same. Heaven forbid you have a different philosophy than those in charge.

And although you say conservatives are just as guilty, I would say, no you are mistaken. When conservative point to someone who should lose their job over an issue they are just maintaining the same standards at which liberals hold conservatives. With the exception of Shirley Sherrod no one got fired, (Shirley resigned, but should not have had to). But, look at what happens to conservatives. Rush Limbaugh got fired from ESPN. Don Imus got fired from his show, and Ann Coulter got booted from one of her jobs as well because of political correctness.

Political correctness rears its ugly head on a daily basis and in every facet of life, and no government needed to pass any laws. :soap

One of the things that makes me truly admire conservatives and until recently embrace them as my ideological camp, is their ability to rise above the tit for tat pettiness and stick to their principles because its right although as I allude that motive has been absent as of late. And as far are "only Sherrod losing her job," its not because conservatives rejected political correctness and their sense of wanting to take the higher road won out. Absolutely not. They were pressuring others to enforce their political correctness and were ignored. If they had they way David Letterman, Rahm Emanuel, The Roots Band from Late Night with Jimmy Fallon and Hilary Rosen all would have had their careers permanently destroyed over exercising free speech they didn't like and the only reason it didn't happen is OTHERS refused to give them the time of day. I expect liberals to oppose personal freedom. I don't expect conservatives to and my current MO is to hold conservatives to a higher standard and do not dismiss them under some sort of Even Stevens justification.
 
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I am a Christian and this is truly an outrage. I would not do it either.
I'll give you a link to a current situation then, but as I said before a quick Google search can pull up many many more cases.

University Files Charges Against Student who Refused to Stomp on Jesus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Now, up until the time this student refused to stomp on Jesus he was able to attend class. Now all of a sudden this kid is facing all kinds of discipline from the school. Because the school will not make public exactly what this kid did to deserve their wrath we are left to wonder what is going on. Hopefully this kid goes public and forces the schools hand.
 
Political Correctness does not violate free speech. Just as you are free to express your racist/sexist/otherwise offensive statements, I and others are free to express our disdain for such ridiculous comments. Your free speech does not get to trump mine, and mine does not trump yours. Having free speech does not protect you from all the consequences of that speech, it only protects you (in most cases) from governmental punishment of that speech.
Political correctness aside:
- blacks need to shut up about slavery and racism
- gays need to get back in the closet
- feminists need to shut up and let the females be "ladies"
- illegals need to get tossed out and suspended 5 years from applying for entry

You forgot one:

- insensitive white guys need to shut up about everyone else they think is whining


Good game, that was fun.
I agree, politically correct language should be banned in the name of free speech.
:lamo


Well put.
 
Don't get carried away, Chris. :) Read carefully, is says EUSSR (European Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics), not USSR.

"We" stands for the countries that have "freedom of speech" as their official ideology.

Freedom is an official ideology, not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is just one part of overall freedom. Please explain your question. What do you mean by "can we use it?" Your question is just so vague.
 
Political Correctness does not violate free speech. Just as you are free to express your racist/sexist/otherwise offensive statements, I and others are free to express our disdain for such ridiculous comments. Your free speech does not get to trump mine, and mine does not trump yours. Having free speech does not protect you from all the consequences of that speech, it only protects you (in most cases) from governmental punishment of that speech.


You forgot one:

- insensitive white guys need to shut up about everyone else they think is whining


Good game, that was fun.
:lamo


Well put.

Expressing disapproval toward offensive speech is different from demanding the speakers' lives be ruined or some other retaliation be carried out.
 
You folks need to remember that not everyone believes Free Speech should be a RIGHT, but rather a PRIVILEGE.

Actually no we don't, because there are almost none of you (those that believe it should be a privilege, granted by, aparently the government or whoever), and those that exist that have that ideology are sociopathic, illogical and rediculous.
 
Freedom is an official ideology, not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is just one part of overall freedom. Please explain your question. What do you mean by "can we use it?" Your question is just so vague.

Freedom isn't an official ideology, it's so vague and subjective that it's meaningless without a lot of caviots.
 
Did the other kids that did not do it get tossed too? I cant fiind anything more than the Fox report. I am positive someone else in the class refused to do it too. I will look more.
I'll give you a link to a current situation then, but as I said before a quick Google search can pull up many many more cases.

University Files Charges Against Student who Refused to Stomp on Jesus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Now, up until the time this student refused to stomp on Jesus he was able to attend class. Now all of a sudden this kid is facing all kinds of discipline from the school. Because the school will not make public exactly what this kid did to deserve their wrath we are left to wonder what is going on. Hopefully this kid goes public and forces the schools hand.

Added this one link also.

Police Remove Math Teacher From School Forcefully, Fired for Opposing Planned Parenthood In Classroom // Mr. Conservative
 
Freedom isn't an official ideology, it's so vague and subjective that it's meaningless without a lot of caviots.

True, that's why I said freedom of speech is only one part of the concept of freedom and asked the OP to be more specific with his question.
 
At which point he would have had a bank robbery on his hands. I was not leaving there without my money and I had the means to ensure it with me at the time.

then you'd go to jail.

there is no way i would let anyone treat my employees that way. i'd get fired if i had to, but you'd be ejected from the bank.
 
Expressing disapproval toward offensive speech is different from demanding the speakers' lives be ruined or some other retaliation be carried out.

In the discussion of speech, no it is not. You're free to say gays should go back in the closet (as someone else did). I'm free to say a person like you should not be hired to any job which requires interaction with people. Your opinion is yours and my opinion is mine. In the context of free speech, there is no difference.

Are the outcomes different? Sometimes, yes, but that is not the fault of the person who is demanding, it is the fault of the person who complies.

You folks need to remember that not everyone believes Free Speech should be a RIGHT, but rather a PRIVILEGE.

First of all, what does that have to do with what I said? Second of all, so? The 1st Amendment is not going anywhere, so as long as the government does not start jailing people for thinking gays should go back into the closet, so what?

Starbucks is not part of the government. The CEO says they do not want someone's business. What's the problem? If you support traditional marriage, then don't spend your money at Starbucks. Starbucks disapproves of what you say and you disapprove of what Starbucks says by not going there. It's the same thing which happened to Chick-Fil-A.
 
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