Is the Tea Party Relevant Anymore?

nota bene said:

I'm not sure what "true Tea Party person" is, but then again, the Tea Party isn't an official party yet is it? I thought it was loosely affiliated but independent groups.

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Yes, me too. But I found a lot of them to be very 'missinformed'. All I had to do is ask a friendly question about the sign they were carrying and have the leadership at the demonstration help them out with a answer.

The media relently villified old white people as ignorant bigots, Obama severely retaliated against old people in general opposing him via ObamaCare, and while the words "Tea Party" have mostly been abandoned, I suspect the actual real attitudes behind it have hardened due to hate for hate as human nature.

The winner is corporate America and international corporations via their shill in Obama himself.The "Tea Party" personalities offse the liberals and visa versa, for which then corporation czars hold the balance of power - something Obama figured. The core of the Tea Party is the Mom-Pop mechant class people, for which Obama is crushing small business on behalf of mega corporations.

The "Tea Party" as an entity doesn't exist much anymore, but the relentless villification of the people of if (old people primarily in small business) has generated permanent counter hatred. In that regards, the "Tea Party" people are more influential than ever - but at the local, state and regional level. Obama has successfully created hate-level divisions that will exist long after he's gone. Governance is increasingly diametric opposite, no compromise hate battles.

Contrary to the national media declaring only the federal government is relevant to anything, local and state government still often affects people more.

Nor is it just about how people feel. Even down to the individual level, increasingly even people in government openly defy other aspects of government and of law. For example, while state FWC (fish & wildlife) used to also enforce federal statutes, now we openly don't give a damn what federal regulations and rules are. Let them enforce their own rules and laws since we're not part of the process anyway.

As an organization is the Tea Party as relevant? No. In terms of individuals? More power than it was.

They played themselves out!!:lamo

Lopan017 said:

They played themselves out!!:lamo

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Oh I would say they are still very relevant today. There are around 70 house members that claim membership in the tea party and at least 10 senators. These numbers can definitely effect legislation today. But they are going down hill as the energy they captured in 2010 to take back the congress for the GOP is not there to elect new members.

I'm wondering if impetus will be regained as the realities of "Obamacare" sink in.

OhIsee.Then said:

Have you been to a Tea Party demonstration and talked to them? I have.

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Partisan hacks who rage again the Tea Party have no clue what it is or who attends it.

Most people who go to Tea Party rallies are mom-pop business owners and seniors who actually like what the United States was.

What gives us that impression is the whacky people the TP backs. Palin goes without saying but another perfect example is mourdock here in Indiana.

joko104 said:

Partisan hacks who rage again the Tea Party have no clue what it is or who attends it.

Most people who go to Tea Party rallies are mom-pop business owners and seniors who actually like what the United States was.

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mak2 said:

What gives us that impression is the whacky people the TP backs. Palin goes without saying but another perfect example is mourdock here in Indiana.

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So is just about partisan hackery.

No it is about stupid ideas endorsed by the TP. For example: Mourdock added: "I just struggled with it myself for a long time but I came to realize: Life is that gift from God that I think even if life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen. Richard Mourdock under fire for rape remarks - POLITICO.com No, that is not partisan hackery, it is pointing out stupidity when you see it. Partisan hackery is still voting for a dummy like that, which by the way, most partisan hacks did.

joko104 said:

So is just about partisan hackery.

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I meant nationally.:lol:

Gipper said:

Not really. Obama did a good job at dispersing the movement. He did some prestidigitation and raised everyone's taxes while invoking positive sounding terms like "universal health care". He deluded the masses. Now they're all enamored and oblivious to Democrat politicking.

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Now don't go giving President Obama the credit where it isn't due- that is what many 'conservatives' claim liberals do...

The TP's did this to themselves, they were at the peak of their terror in the GOP during Healthcare debates. I'd say they really didn't need to win healthcare but show their power and intimidate the Old Guard in the GOP, which they did.

IF they had kept to the message of taxes, E-Vile Gubmint, and the nanny state- well the nanny state for anyone under 65, they would have been better served.

But like the now out of favor neo-cons the TPs just had to make social issues an issue when it is the economy Stupid. They didn't just want to honor 'the family' they wanted to beat down anything else, wanted to control sexuality and seemed hell bent on returning women to a 1950's 'ideal'. They wanted to keep the 'right' to marriage just a right for hetros. Throw in some legitimate rape and many who would have voted for Willard saw TP over reach as a worse deal than the beginning of healthcare reform.

I think the GOP should shorten their primary process and REALLY limit debate prior to naming their candidate. The Party of Freedom is ill served by open and free wheeling debate. It was a circus as the flamer of the month rose and fell as the TP darling. Senator DeMint was a watery fart this election cycle. He turned away from the Presidential elections to 'concentrate' on making the Senate a GOP lead chamber. Instead of winning more seats the GOP LOST seats! :shock:

The TP can still be a power of sorts, but the backlash from the Old Guard could be as vicious as the attacks on moderate GOP politicians was prior to this election. Would be interesting if the TPs end up the party of the more rural states and the GOP and Democrats fight for the more populous ones. That would give the TP's a lot more power in the Senate than their numbers would allow elsewhere.

Dragonfly said:

Simple question. Should be a simple response.

Does the Tea Party have any relevance in today's political arena?

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I've always thought as soon as President Obama is out of office, the Tea Party will go away understanding the Tea Party to be the "We Really Hate Obama Club." I've learned a little more about the Tea Party since then, now seeing that its Genesis is really about curtailing out of control federal government spending. That said, I still believe the vast majority of the growth in numbers of the Tea Party in the early part of the Obama Administration had less to do with fiscal policy and more to to with tribalism and Obama classified as being of a different tribe despite its official mission statement. I also will modify my initial prediction from once Obama leaves office the Tea Party will go away to once the Tea Party sees the Obama Administration's tenure as no longer being contested, they will begin to take a knee as it were and we'll see the Tea Party's prominence to being to lessen over time until he leaves office in 2016. The true Tea Partiers will still be around but the huge numbers who joined not over opposition to policy but rather opposition to the person will fade making the Tea Party an insignificant force. We'll see, just my educated guess.

Smeagol said:

I've always thought as soon as President Obama is out of office, the Tea Party will go away understanding the Tea Party to be the "We Really Hate Obama Club." I've learned a little more about the Tea Party since then, now seeing that its Genesis is really about curtailing out of control federal government spending. That said, I still believe the vast majority of the growth in numbers of the Tea Party in the early part of the Obama Administration had less to do with fiscal policy and more to to with tribalism and Obama classified as being of a different tribe despite its official mission statement. I also will modify my initial prediction from once Obama leaves office the Tea Party will go away to once the Tea Party sees the Obama Administration's tenure as no longer being contested, they will begin to take a knee as it were and we'll see the Tea Party's prominence to being to lessen over time until he leaves office in 2016. The true Tea Partiers will still be around but the huge numbers who joined not over opposition to policy but rather opposition to the person will fade making the Tea Party an insignificant force. We'll see, just my educated guess.

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A nice, well-reasoned post - although I disagree with you.

Obama's efforts to ruin this country will remain for decades and every new sign will bring more people forward to combat them. The "Tea Party" as such may not grow but others such as Independent and Libertarian will.

longknife said:

A nice, well-reasoned post - although I disagree with you.

Obama's efforts to ruin this country will remain for decades and every new sign will bring more people forward to combat them. The "Tea Party" as such may not grow but others such as Independent and Libertarian will.

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We'll see. I'm open to being corrected.

As far as the Independent and Libertarian parties go, I think they're possible due to fragmentation of the so-called Big Tent as more conservatives sticking to the principles. It should be interesting to see how conservative politics in America pans out over the next 10 or so years. The democrats have a huge advantage and will keep it as long as they don't get arrogant and government against the will of the people just because they (will) have the numbers to do so. The Democrats will control national politics as long as they only advance popularly supported policies instead of ramming them through against the will of the people.

no one cares about the tea party anymore