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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

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shlunka said:
You're right, removing our oil companies was just plain sadistic.
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We didn't remove them, Iraq kicked them out when they nationalized their oil. But thanks to our invasion and occupation, US and British oil companies are back in Iraq.

Mission Accomplished!
 
Catawba said:
And Iraq is less stable than before our invasion and occupation.
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yeah, being under the iron fist of a dictator makes for a very "stable" environment
 
OscarB63 said:
yeah, being under the iron fist of a dictator makes for a very "stable" environment
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The government we installed is just as corrupt as the last one, and the country is less stable, just ask the Iraqis.

I guess you were surprised when the Iraqis fought our occupation for almost 10 years rather than throwing flowers at us!
 
Navy Pride said:
On the anniversary of the Iraq war the question begs to be asked.
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Jesus H. Christ...... 134 pages of posts for the "was Iraq worth it?" question. This the longest damn thread I've ever seen. Moderators, if you can read this, I think Navy Pride deserves the poll of the month prize:2dance:
 
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Catawba said:
The government we installed is just as corrupt as the last one, and the country is less stable, just ask the Iraqis.

I guess you were surprised when the Iraqis fought our occupation for almost 10 years rather than throwing flowers at us!
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um yeah, we didn't "install" anything. we allowed them to decide for themselves. not our fault they voted for corrupt politicians (as if there were any other kind)

just saying..."stability" isn't the be all end all. I'm sure all those Iraqis that were tortured and murdered in Saddam's "perfume palace" and then dumped in "Lost Lake" were really impressed by the stability of Saddam's govt
 
OscarB63 said:
yeah, being under the iron fist of a dictator makes for a very "stable" environment
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Not to agree with Catawba, but actually, dictatorships are rather stable countries, in the purest sense of the word. Things run relatively smooth and crimes rates are ridiculously low because of the fear of reprisal from government. In other words, everyone is scared ****less to the point that everything goes just how the federal government wants and everything is seemingly hunky dory.
 
Lightning said:
Not to agree with Catawba, but actually, dictatorships are rather stable countries, in the purest sense of the word. Things run relatively smooth and crimes rates are ridiculously low because of the fear of reprisal from government. In other words, everyone is scared ****less to the point that everything goes just how the federal government wants and everything is seemingly hunky dory.
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which was my point. "stability" should not be the most important measure. Nazi Germany was a very "stable" environment under Hitler.
 
OscarB63 said:
um yeah, we didn't "install" anything. we allowed them to decide for themselves. not our fault they voted for corrupt politicians (as if there were any other kind)
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:lamo What was the invasion and almost ten years of occupation for than?

just saying..."stability" isn't the be all end all. I'm sure all those Iraqis that were tortured and murdered in Saddam's "perfume palace" and then dumped in "Lost Lake" were really impressed by the stability of Saddam's govt
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The Iraqis are being tortured now by the government we help set up and protected for almost ten years. But hey, the Iraqis have the freedom to kill each other now in addition to being tortured! Oh happy day!

:lamo
 
Catawba said:
:lamo What was the invasion and almost ten years of occupation for than?
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so we could steal all the oil, or have you forgotten that? :laughat:



The Iraqis are being tortured now by the government we help set up and protected for almost ten years. But hey, the Iraqis have the freedom to kill each other now in addition to being tortured! Oh happy day!

:lamo
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at least now they have a choice :laughat:
 
OscarB63 said:
so we could steal all the oil, or have you forgotten that?
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No, we just wanted to prevent the control the Iraqis had to withhold their own property from US and British oil companies.





at least now they have a choice :laughat:
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That's probably why they showered our troops with flowers during our occupation. :lamo
 
Catawba said:
No, we just wanted to prevent the control the Iraqis had to withhold their own property from US and British oil companies.
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either way... it was "all about the oil"





That's probably why they showered our troops with flowers during our occupation. :lamo
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which is irrelevent to whether or not the world is a better place without Saddam.
 
Catawba said:
We didn't remove them, Iraq kicked them out when they nationalized their oil. But thanks to our invasion and occupation, US and British oil companies are back in Iraq.

Mission Accomplished!
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Sorry for making my post worded realz stoopidz. What I meant by "removing our oil companies", I meant that the Iraqis removed them. I imagine the semantical meaning of my sentence was far off from what I thought it meant, and for that, I apologize. Perhaps, some day, I could send a small present to you?
 
every dollar spent in Iraq was a dollar wasted.

Saddam was such a great leader that his govt spent nothing to update/upgrade their refineries. all the oil refineries in Iraq burn off tons of methane because the technology to capture it didn't exist when they were built. as a result, methane (aka natural gas) is a major IMPORT into Iraq. and yet they are burning off tons of the stuff from their outdated refineries.
 
IMO, as I have said before, Iraq was far better off between the end of the Kurdish Uprising and Iraqi Freedom then it has been since Iraqi Freedom.

As to the OP question?

That is impossible to answer since there is no way to know what would have happened to Iraq had Op. Iraqi Freedom never taken place.

One could speculate - which I did before.

But on hindsight, there are too many variables and too much time has passed to (IMO) give a worthwhile answer to the OP question.


But to just assume that the world must be better because an evil man is dead is potentially short sighted to me.

Everything is relative - and life is never black and white...only shades of grey.
 
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DA60 said:
IMO, as I have said before, Iraq was far better off between the end of the Kurdish Uprising and Iraqi Freedom then it has been since Iraqi Freedom.

As to the OP question?

That is impossible to answer since there is no way to know what would have happened to Iraq had Op. Iraqi Freedom never taken place.

One could speculate - which I did before.

But on hindsight, there are too many variables and too much time has passed to (IMO) make worthwhile answer to the OP question.
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I was in Iraq during both Desert Storm and OIF/OEF. One of the sad things is that, although he had the resources to build dozens of palaces for himself and his cronies, Saddam spent very little on rebuilding infrastructure that was damaged/destroyed during the Iran/Iraq war and Desert Storm. Much of southern Iraq looks just as it did immediately following the Iran/Iraq war. rusted out vehicles on the side of the road, rivers filled with sunken ships, bombed out villages, etc, etc, etc.
 
OscarB63 said:
I was in Iraq during both Desert Storm and OIF/OEF. One of the sad things is that, although he had the resources to build dozens of palaces for himself and his cronies, Saddam spent very little on rebuilding infrastructure that was damaged/destroyed during the Iran/Iraq war and Desert Storm. Much of southern Iraq looks just as it did immediately following the Iran/Iraq war. rusted out vehicles on the side of the road, rivers filled with sunken ships, bombed out villages, etc, etc, etc.
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The following includes the reasons why I believe what I stated in my post just above:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...without-saddam-hussein-79.html#post1061622138

Clearly, he was a horrible leader.

I just happen to believe life was better (overall) for the average Iraqi (plus far less were killed, imo) from roughly '92-IF then since Iraqi Freedom.
 
Catawba said:
The government we installed is just as corrupt as the last one, and the country is less stable, just ask the Iraqis.

I guess you were surprised when the Iraqis fought our occupation for almost 10 years rather than throwing flowers at us!
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Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were surprised. The war was supposed to have been over in less than six months with the US being greeted as liberators.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were surprised. The war was supposed to have been over in less than six months with the US being greeted as liberators.
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A cake walk as they said!
 
OscarB63 said:
either way... it was "all about the oil"
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Exactly!


which is irrelevent to whether or not the world is a better place without Saddam.
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Its relevant to whether Iraq is better off, or not. Last time I checked Iraq is part of the world and was most affected by our invasion, occupation, and regime change.
 
OscarB63 said:
every dollar spent in Iraq was a dollar wasted.

Saddam was such a great leader that his govt spent nothing to update/upgrade their refineries. all the oil refineries in Iraq burn off tons of methane because the technology to capture it didn't exist when they were built. as a result, methane (aka natural gas) is a major IMPORT into Iraq. and yet they are burning off tons of the stuff from their outdated refineries.
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It is Iraq's property to do with as they choose. Do you think you should be able to tell your neighbors what they can do with their property?
 
OscarB63 said:
I was in Iraq during both Desert Storm and OIF/OEF. One of the sad things is that, although he had the resources to build dozens of palaces for himself and his cronies, Saddam spent very little on rebuilding infrastructure that was damaged/destroyed during the Iran/Iraq war and Desert Storm. Much of southern Iraq looks just as it did immediately following the Iran/Iraq war. rusted out vehicles on the side of the road, rivers filled with sunken ships, bombed out villages, etc, etc, etc.
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If the Iraqis were so grateful to the US, why did they fight our occupation for almost a decade rather than showering us with flowers?
 
Catawba said:
It is Iraq's property to do with as they choose.
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so you are defending Saddam's building of palaces while the people starved? how "liberal" of you :laughat:

Do you think you should be able to tell your neighbors what they can do with their property?
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no, I'll leave that to you liberals
 
Catawba said:
If the Iraqis were so grateful to the US, why did they fight our occupation for almost a decade rather than showering us with flowers?
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who said they were grateful?
 
Catawba said:
If the Iraqis were so grateful to the US, why did they fight our occupation for almost a decade rather than showering us with flowers?
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That was the Islamists. Surely you know that.

They were the ones murdering Iraqi citizens and discouraging them from voting. They'll be taking over Iraq soon too,
 
Grant said:
That was the Islamists. Surely you know that.

They were the ones murdering Iraqi citizens and discouraging them from voting. They'll be taking over Iraq soon too,
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Where is your link to unbiased factual proof of this?

You say he should 'know' it? Well then I assume you think that you 'know' it.

And for you to know it, then you must have unbiased, factual proof - otherwise you just believe it, not know it.

Huge difference.
 
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