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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?


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It means the SOTU language was deliberately restrained so as not to go beyond the intelligence. It was the opposite of scare/shock tactics; it was conservative language.:cool:

No. Anything more overt would have been easily spotted with no deniability. The best lies are not overt, but couched in such a way as to seem as more than it was. Contact means nothing, and as nothing, no reason to bring it up at all.
 
No. Anything more overt would have been easily spotted with no deniability. The best lies are not overt, but couched in such a way as to seem as more than it was. Contact means nothing, and as nothing, no reason to bring it up at all.

That's the point. It was not a lie.:cool:
 
That's the point. It was not a lie.:cool:
That's a matter of opinion. He said The British government has learned. He should have said: The British have Intelligence that Saddam Hussein...
 
Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?


5 hours ago -

Attacks in Iraq kill 3 soldiers, 5 civilians

"BAGHDAD: A series of bombs exploded Friday in Iraq, killing eight people in attacks that targeted members of both Sunni and Shiite Muslim sects, police said.

In the first incident, attackers detonated a bomb as an army vehicle was traveling through the western Baghdad neighborhood of Abu Ghraib, killing three soldiers.

Later, a bomb exploded near a vegetable stand, killing three civilians and wounding 15 in the Shiite-dominated city of Hillah, 95 kilometers (60 miles) south of Baghdad.

Soon after Friday prayers in the city of Baqouba, 60 kilometers (60 miles) northeast of Baghdad, a roadside bomb exploded as worshippers left a Sunni mosque, killing two and wounding a dozen people.

Health officials confirmed the casualties. All spoke anonymously because they were not allowed to brief reporters.

There were no immediate claims of responsibility, but some of the attacks were typical of al-Qaida's Iraq branch, the Islamic State of Iraq. The militant Sunni group frequently uses car bombs, suicide bombers and coordinated blasts to target Shiites and those working with the Shiite-led government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

It was not immediately clear who targeted the Sunni mosque."

Read more: Attacks in Iraq kill 3 soldiers, 5 civilians | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR
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That's a matter of opinion. He said The British government has learned. He should have said: The British have Intelligence that Saddam Hussein...

The Brits believed (and believe) their source was credible, and I share their view.:cool:
 
There was no deception. Nor was there an intent to deceive.:cool:

Sure they was. There was no reason to say it otherwise. None. Without deception, it wouldn't have been mentioned.
 
Sure they was. There was no reason to say it otherwise. None. Without deception, it wouldn't have been mentioned.

It was an accurate description of the world around us, in keeping with the responsibilities of the POTUS.:cool:
 
Sure they was. There was no reason to say it otherwise. None. Without deception, it wouldn't have been mentioned.
You bet, they fought tooth and nail to get it in the speech.
 
It was an accurate description of the world around us, in keeping with the responsibilities of the POTUS.:cool:

The sky is blue is accurate, but there's little reason to say it. The only reason that would be mentioned at all is to deceive. There really is no other reason.
 
The sky is blue is accurate, but there's little reason to say it. The only reason that would be mentioned at all is to deceive. There really is no other reason.

To tell the American people about the world we faced.:cool:
 
I note that you have not replied to my previous post in our dialogue.
Here, from your own link ....

The information about Iraq's desire to acquire the ore, known as yellowcake, was used by the Bush administration to help justify the invasion of Iraq, notably by President Bush in his State of the Union address in January 2003. But the information was later revealed to have been based on forgeries.

... and then there's this ...

The documents were the basis for sending a former diplomat, Joseph C. Wilson IV, on a fact-finding mission to Niger that eventually exploded into an inquiry that led to the indictment and resignation last week of Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby.

But you also claimed the original reporting by the CIA was based on reports of the documents and not the actual documents themselves, and that appears to be correct. However your assessment that they were immediately exposed as forgeries remains in error. It wasn't until the IAEA examined them some 6 months later that they were exposed as forgeries.

As for this one, you are wrong, again.:cool:
Nope. not wrong.

Condoleezza Rice, a senior aide of hers, the Director of the CIA, and the White House ALL said the 16 words should not have been in the speech and yes, they had removed it from a speech earlier; for the same reason it shouldn't have been in the SofU address.
 
Here, from your own link ....

The information about Iraq's desire to acquire the ore, known as yellowcake, was used by the Bush administration to help justify the invasion of Iraq, notably by President Bush in his State of the Union address in January 2003. But the information was later revealed to have been based on forgeries.

... and then there's this ...

The documents were the basis for sending a former diplomat, Joseph C. Wilson IV, on a fact-finding mission to Niger that eventually exploded into an inquiry that led to the indictment and resignation last week of Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby.

But you also claimed the original reporting by the CIA was based on reports of the documents and not the actual documents themselves, and that appears to be correct. However your assessment that they were immediately exposed as forgeries remains in error. It wasn't until the IAEA examined them some 6 months later that they were exposed as forgeries.


Nope. not wrong.

Condoleezza Rice, a senior aide of hers, the Director of the CIA, and the White House ALL said the 16 words should not have been in the speech and yes, they had removed it from a speech earlier; for the same reason it shouldn't have been in the SofU address.



When the documents were passed to the IAEA, the US explicitly declined to vouch for their authenticity.:cool:
 
There was no deception. Nor was there an intent to deceive.:cool:
Bullxit.

  • Speaking to reporters, Hadley said details from the CIA memos and phone call slipped his mind. He apologized to Bush on Monday, he said. "The high standards the president set were not met," said Hadley. Despite the error, the president has "full confidence in his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor and the director of central intelligence," said White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett.


  • "The CIA was pushing the aluminum tube argument heavily and Cheney went with that instead of what our guys wrote," Powell said. And the Niger reference in Bush's State of the Union speech? "That was a big mistake," he said. "It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."


  • "Those 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president," George Tenet said in a statement. "This was a mistake."


  • "Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect." ~ Ari Fleischer


  • "What we've said subsequently is, knowing what we now know, that some of the Niger documents were apparently forged, we wouldn't have put this in the President's speech -- but that's knowing what we know now." ~ Condoleezza Rice
 
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