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Valid point but not source. That's Iranian State.
Better?
Mass graves found across Iraq | Mail Online
Valid point but not source. That's Iranian State.
You make the same mistake many do. It's not when you fine it that matters in this debate, but when they were killed:
This was when we were watching and doing nothing, and anytime near 2003. It was a very specific place and time
Then, in March 1999, thousands more were believed to have been arrested, imprisoned and in some cases executed after a second uprising broke out after the killing of a prominent Shiite cleric.
Not much! haha
That's a tabloid.
Keeping track? They just found another mass grave in 2012! You can't keep track of what you don't know.
PressTV - Saddam-era mass grave unearthed in south Baghdad
Saddam did much worse when we supported him.
"# Reprisal Against Dujail
On July 8, 1982, Saddam Hussein was visiting the town of Dujail (50 miles north of Baghdad) when a group of Dawa militants shot at his motorcade. In reprisal for this assassination attempt, the entire town was punished. More than 140 fighting-age men were apprehended and never heard from again. Approximately 1,500 other townspeople, including children, were rounded up and taken to prison, where many were tortured. After a year or more in prison, many were exiled to a southern desert camp. The town itself was destroyed; houses were bulldozed and orchards were demolished.
Though Saddam's reprisal against Dujail is considered one of his lesser-known crimes, it has been chosen as the first for which he will be tried.
# Anfal Campaign
Officially from February 23 to September 6, 1988 (but often thought to extend from March 1987 to May 1989), Saddam Hussein's regime carried out the Anfal (Arabic for "spoils") campaign against the large Kurdish population in northern Iraq. The purpose of the campaign was ostensibly to reassert Iraqi control over the area; however, the real goal was to permanently eliminate the Kurdish problem.
The campaign consisted of eight stages of assault, where up to 200,000 Iraqi troops attacked the area, rounded up civilians, and razed villages. Once rounded up, the civilians were divided into two groups: men from ages of about 13 to 70 and women, children, and elderly men. The men were then shot and buried in mass graves. The women, children, and elderly were taken to relocation camps where conditions were deplorable. In a few areas, especially areas that put up even a little resistance, everyone was killed.
Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.
# Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.
Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.
Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."
Crimes of Saddam Hussein
Not much! haha
That's a tabloid.
You better reread what you just linked because it doesn't make your case that the war wasn't about oil.
It does indeed. The interviewee has an opinion but his own data don't bear it out. Fact is that there has been no attempt to push US oil companies into a strong position in Iraq.
You better reread what you just linked because it doesn't make your case that the war wasn't about oil.
That's not the point. The point is some people seem to think he had "stopped killing." Well, that is just ridiculous IMO. He was obviously an insane madman, killing men, women, children and even babies pretty much indiscriminately. People lived in FEAR of this guy. The Iraqi people knew about the mass graves but were too afraid to speak of them because they knew better.
The point is that our support or non-support of Saddam depended on our interests, not his brutality.
It does indeed. The interviewee has an opinion but his own data don't bear it out. Fact is that there has been no attempt to push US oil companies into a strong position in Iraq.
Oh no?
From my second link:
Read more: Mass graves found across Iraq | Mail Online
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Addendum: Also, many, many more are still missing. People disappeared all the time in Iraq.
Believed? In some cases? Well, that's powerful. But again, related to an uprising. And some cases don't give us any sense of how many. And that was still four full years. Not 2003.
Something of interest.
American Firms Shut Out Of Iraq Oil Fields - Business Insider
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Robert Wile
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American Energy Companies Have Been Almost Completely Shut Out Of Iraq's Oil Fields. Rob Wile | Oct. 10, 2012, 12:28 PM | 3,071 | 15 ...
But you made the claim that he "stopped killing." That is just so . . .
A lot of these graves were not even known about until the invasion.
In 2003. Sure, an uprising might start it again. But there was no uprising, there was no such killing at that time. We brought the killing in 2003, adding injury to injury as I said. When those killings were taking place, we did nothing. To be humanitian, as I liked, it must be active.
Which is even more proof they were not the motive for our invasion and occupation.
What exactly are you claiming now? Saddam stopped killing because he was running for his life! :roll:
All that shows is that Cheney had a ****ty plan. Without a US military occupation as McCain wanted, there was no way to get the Iraqis to abide by the new oil law we helped draw up. Still they have an interest now in Iraq oil they didn't have before, and they have an interest in the Kurdish oil wells they didn't have before. None of which could have happened without our invasion and occupation.
No. Before we invaded in 2003, no such killing. Not in 2002 either. There was no such killing.
You don't know that.