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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

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marywollstonecraft said:
lols - so you would be ok with all that?

looking at the way americans reacted to 911, I doubt it!
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Well, I can see that you are just full of negativity towards the United States.
 
ChrisL said:
Anyhow, that's completely irrelevant to the argument.
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not really. you are talking about how the world is a better place. you are implying that Iraqis, many of whom are worse off in terms of personal security, are "bitching" about how bad it is.

I suspect that they are doing exactly what americans would do in a similar situation - and if it happened to you, you WOULD have every right to complain.

Its insensitive to minimize the suffering of the Iraqi people the way you do.

I find it offensive.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
not really. you are talking about how the world is a better place. you are implying that Iraqis, many of whom are worse off in terms of personal security, are "bitching" about how bad it is.
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No, I'm referring to people here on the forum.

I suspect that they are doing exactly what americans would do in a similar situation - and if it happened to you, you WOULD have every right to complain.
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Perhaps.

Its insensitive to minimize the suffering of the Iraqi people the way you do.

I find it offensive.
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No one is minimizing anything. It's important to focus on the future and not cry about the past. Sorry if you can't understand that. You can go right ahead and be offended. I really don't care.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, I can see that you are just full of negativity towards the United States.
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you lost 3000 people due to the actions of a bunch of criminals.

you invaded two countries because of that.

Iraq has lost hundreds of thousands due to the invasion, people are less safe than they were under a vicious dictator, and you seem to think they should stop bitching?
 
marywollstonecraft said:
you lost 3000 people due to the actions of a bunch of criminals.

you invaded two countries because of that.

Iraq has lost hundreds of thousands due to the invasion, people are less safe than they were under a vicious dictator, and you seem to think they should stop bitching?
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What good does it do? Tell me that.

Is bitching about it going to bring those dead people back? No. It isn't. The most important thing is to focus on the future now.
 
ChrisL said:
No, I'm referring to people here on the forum.



Perhaps.



No one is minimizing anything. It's important to focus on the future and not cry about the past. Sorry if you can't understand that. You can go right ahead and be offended. I really don't care.
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you are minimizing the impact.

saddam's being there didn't matter to most people outside Iraq, he was no threat to the US .. and it wouldn't have made one iota of difference to the average American who was in charge of Iraq.

it mattered most to the Iraqis, and what may have made things better for them (the removal of a violent dictator) has made their lives worse.
 
ChrisL said:
What good does it do? Tell me that.

Is bitching about it going to bring those dead people back? No. It isn't. The most important thing is to focus on the future now.
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many Iraqis can see no future in their country. that's why there are two million refugees.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
you are minimizing the impact.

saddam's being there didn't matter to most people outside Iraq, he was no threat to the US .. and it wouldn't have made one iota of difference to the average American who was in charge of Iraq.

it mattered most to the Iraqis, and what may have made things better for them (the removal of a violent dictator) has made their lives worse.
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He was a threat to stability in the region, which in turn effects the rest of us. He was a madman, plain and simple.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
many Iraqis can see no future in their country. that's why there are two million refugees.
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And people who constantly spread hate and negativity do nothing to help those people. That kind of negativity is much more harmful than helpful.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
I am sure you would just pick yourself up and dust yourself off if your country was blown to smithereens, hundreds of thousands of your countrymen were killed and maimed, millions more fled, and the place continued to be more dangerous for you and your family indefinitely into the future.
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it's what most Americans did.... following the civil war.
 
Many influential people world wide believed he was a serious threat, including Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. That's what we knew at the time, and that's what we went off of. Did you know at the time that we or one of our allies wouldn't get attacked with WMD's?....of course you didn't. And how do you know that he didn't bury them in the sand? Is it more important for you to hail some kind of moral victory with the advantage of hindsight rather that to say with humility that we tried our best?

I've always wondered if much of the PTSD from this war comes from our service people injuring and or killing Iraqi's for the sake of freedom and justice, only to have the case made ad nauseam that it was totally unjustified.

marywollstonecraft said:
you are minimizing the impact.

saddam's being there didn't matter to most people outside Iraq, he was no threat to the US .. and it wouldn't have made one iota of difference to the average American who was in charge of Iraq.

it mattered most to the Iraqis, and what may have made things better for them (the removal of a violent dictator) has made their lives worse.
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ChrisL said:
:lamo OMG! He had finished killing? Seriously? A madman who idolized Stalin just decided to stop killing people to further his own self-aggrandizing agenda. Good Lord, now I've heard everything.
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I've linked evidence on that. Even Iraqis knew that was mostly over. While he was actually doing the killing, we sat and watched. That us why I say we added injury to injury.
 
From 'Uncle Saddam' to 'despot' in the blink of an oil well.
 
So when did he stop his criminal activities?



Boo Radley said:
I've linked evidence on that. Even Iraqis knew that was mostly over. While he was actually doing the killing, we sat and watched. That us why I say we added injury to injury.
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JC Callender said:
So when did he stop his criminal activities?
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Different question. However, we're not the international police either. Nor do we merit out justice consistently, or fairly, or even justly.
 
captainawesome said:
What is your thesis?
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My thesis (msc) was about rural agricultural development in Africa. My dissertation (phd, interdisciplinary ecology spec. gender) is about agricultural technology introduction and dissemination in rural Africa.
 
ecofarm said:
My thesis (msc) was about rural agricultural development in Africa. My dissertation (phd, interdisciplinary ecology spec. gender) is about agricultural technology introduction and dissemination in rural Africa.
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You have degrees in African studies? How unexpected. Did you recieve any grant money for this?
 
JC Callender said:
Many influential people world wide believed he was a serious threat, including Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. That's what we knew at the time, and that's what we went off of. Did you know at the time that we or one of our allies wouldn't get attacked with WMD's?....of course you didn't. And how do you know that he didn't bury them in the sand? Is it more important for you to hail some kind of moral victory with the advantage of hindsight rather that to say with humility that we tried our best?

I've always wondered if much of the PTSD from this war comes from our service people injuring and or killing Iraqi's for the sake of freedom and justice, only to have the case made ad nauseam that it was totally unjustified.
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there was no credible evidence and I think a lot of folks who voted for the war did so because of political expediency ... people were afraid, and we're big on revenge as a country and wanted to do someting to someone ... many politicians, Dems among them, had no backbone on this one ... the issue is whether the administration concocted stuff to justify going in and the evidence suggests rather strongly that they did ... I think Hubris was well done, although I know that most conservatives will dismiss it outright regardless of the evidence ... the issue isn't whether Iraq is better off without him ... the issue is whether it was worth the cost. Can you imagine if we expended an equal number of lives and money on every head of state who their country would be better off without?
 
captainawesome said:
You have degrees in African studies? How unexpected. Did you recieve any grant money for this?
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My degrees are International Environmental Science and Interdisciplinary Ecology spc. Gender. I conducted research, alone, in rural Africa for 3 months for the thesis and 2 years for the phd. I did it on personal savings (after the GI Bill/College Fund ran out); no grants, no NGOs, no GOs and no western contacts in country. It doesn't cost much to live and research for two years without electricity and running water. Some pics of the village here: ecofarm's Album: pics
 
ecofarm said:
My degrees are International Environmental Science and Interdisciplinary Ecology spc. Gender. I conducted research, alone, in rural Africa for 3 months for the thesis and 2 years for the phd. I did it on personal savings (after the GI Bill/College Fund ran out); no grants, no NGOs, no GOs and no western contacts in country. It doesn't cost much to live and research for two years without electricity and running water. Some pics of the village here: ecofarm's Album: pics
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good luck ... writing the darn thing is a long and lonely enterprise, but worth the time and effort ... again, good luck ... (BTW, where in Africa?)
 
Bori said:
good luck ... writing the darn thing is a long and lonely enterprise, but worth the time and effort ... again, good luck ... (BTW, where in Africa?)
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The writing is mostly done. I just gotta combine files, edit, create graphs maps and charts and build a final system model. Kenya, south (wet) side of the mountain, up against the forest.
 
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