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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?


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No, they didn't. We have another thread on this. They had nothing before then, then or after that said anything of the kind. You had to use al Libi 9tortured and doubted), Curveball (doubted from day one), and Chalibi and his heroes in error (who had betrayed us once already and was doubted), to get where Bush took us. Put the intelligence communities doubts in there as they should have been, doubts they held then, and no, that was not the intel.



I find it highly ironic that many that defend the war try desperately to blame its starting on others.
 
No, they didn't. We have another thread on this. They had nothing before then, then or after that said anything of the kind. You had to use al Libi 9tortured and doubted), Curveball (doubted from day one), and Chalibi and his heroes in error (who had betrayed us once already and was doubted), to get where Bush took us. Put the intelligence communities doubts in there as they should have been, doubts they held then, and no, that was not the intel.

Sorry, I don't buy to the liberal bull**** conspiracy threads, you are barking up the wrong tree.
 
Sorry, I don't buy to the liberal bull**** conspiracy threads, you are barking up the wrong tree.

I know truth and reality is hard to accept. but it has nothing to do with conspiracy. Merely a fact that the intel you hang your hat on came from those three, and it was doubted by the intelligence community. And the administration had to know.
 
I know truth and reality is hard to accept. but it has nothing to do with conspiracy. Merely a fact that the intel you hang your hat on came from those three, and it was doubted by the intelligence community. And the administration had to know.

Because you say so? you remind me of Mel Gibson in that movie:lol:
 
Lancet Journal published an article about it. I will get you a link (or someone else will) as soon as their site maintenance is done.

Stop trying to pretend that the atrocities committed there have anything to do with political ideology. That is asinine Navy. Fact is that we went into that forsaken country based on LIES.

Don't sit there and ask for a "legit" site when you constantly quote WIKIPEDIA

Although like I said I mourn the death of every American the Iraq War was the cleanest war we ever have fought with the fewest casualties.
 
I find it highly ironic that many that defend the war try desperately to blame its starting on others.

Like whom? even the dumbest Liberal knows we invaded Iraq and at the time most were for the invasion.....Its great to be able to be a Monday Morning QB my left wing friend.
 
Maybe. But the world is not a better place because of our bombing, attacking and occupying Iraq. Largely because of our attack on Iraq Al Qaeda has spread to more nations and the USA has less credibility and influence. Also, the people of Iraq are overall worse off than they were under Saddam due to the sectarian violence and instability we unleashed. Remember over a million Iraqis felt that they had to flee the country and many are still living as refugees, creating problems for their host countries.
 
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How are the Iraqis better off with hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, a million injured and maimed, another 5 million displaced, and their country blown apart, and a government as corrupt as the last.

I posted that section above.

Here you go:

"The report, Strategic Energy Policy Challenges For The 21st Century, concludes: "The United States remains a prisoner of its energy dilemma. Iraq remains a de-stabilising influence to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated a willingness to threaten to use the oil weapon and to use his own export programme to manipulate oil markets. Therefore the US should conduct an immediate policy review toward Iraq including military, energy, economic and political/ diplomatic assessments."

The Iraqis are better off because they are now (relatively) free people with a path to a decent future. Action to protect the Saudi and Kuwaiti oil fields was a US policy priority from the first Gulf War. Nothing new or startling there. Access to Iraqi oil was never a war aim in either war.:cool:
 
Like whom? even the dumbest Liberal knows we invaded Iraq and at the time most were for the invasion.....Its great to be able to be a Monday Morning QB my left wing friend.

You are merely pointing out how well the war was sold to the public in the US.
 
Maybe. But the world is not a better place because of our bombing, attacking and occupying Iraq. Largely because of our attack on Iraq Al Qaeda has spread to more nations and the USA has less credibility and influence. Also, the people of Iraq are overall worse off than they were under Saddam due to the sectarian violence and instability we unleashed. Remember over a million Iraqis felt that they had to flee the country and many are still living as refugees, creating problems for their host countries.

We have lost creditability because are so called leader Obama has gone to the Islamic nations and kissed their ass....Because of him they think the USA is a paper tiger and they can do anything they want without reprisal...They don't have fear of us anymore.
 
You are merely pointing out how well the war was sold to the public in the US.

Sadly you are what I am talking about...The epitome of a Monday Morning QB.....Anyone can do what you do...
 
We have lost creditability because are so called leader Obama has gone to the Islamic nations and kissed their ass....Because of him they think the USA is a paper tiger and they can do anything they want without reprisal...They don't have fear of us anymore.

We had less credibility when we had a clown in the whitehouse who took his eye off the prize and focused his efforts away from those who actually attacked us to an imperialistic neo-con agenda.
Obama got the job done that your hero couldn't. If anything....Obama has restored our credibility in the world. We aren't laughed at the way we were under GWB.
 
The Iraqis are better off because they are now (relatively) free people with a path to a decent future. Action to protect the Saudi and Kuwaiti oil fields was a US policy priority from the first Gulf War. Nothing new or startling there. Access to Iraqi oil was never a war aim in either war.:cool:


There is evidence the war was over control of Iraq's oil. There is no evidence that Iraq was of any threat to the US. I guess some believe in sacrificing human lives for oil and some don't.
 
We had less credibility when we had a clown in the whitehouse who took his eye off the prize and focused his efforts away from those who actually attacked us to an imperialistic neo-con agenda.
Obama got the job done that your hero couldn't. If anything....Obama has restored our credibility in the world. We aren't laughed at the way we were under GWB.

You sit there and say those stupid things meanwhile the ME is turning into a powder keg and all your daddy does it talk talk talk.........Hell we had 4 people killed in that embassy by terrorists first your daddy said it was done for a video and then he finally fessed up over 2 weeks later and admitted it wasn't......He is without a doubt the most incompetent president we have ever had and it is costing us dearly.
 
There is evidence the war was over control of Iraq's oil. There is no evidence that Iraq was of any threat to the US. I guess some believe in sacrificing human lives for oil and some don't.

There is no evidence whatsoever that either war was over control of Iraq's oil.:naughty:naughty:naughty:naughty:naughty
 

You sit there and say those stupid things meanwhile the ME is turning into a powder keg and all your daddy does it talk talk talk.........Hell we had 4 people killed in that embassy by terrorists first your daddy said it was done for a video and then he finally fessed up over 2 weeks later and admitted it wasn't......He is without a doubt the most incompetent president we have ever had and it is costing us dearly.

Not even close NP. The world was laughing at us while GWB was President. I traveled to several foreign countries during Bush's years, most everyone couldn't believe the buffoon that was leading this country. He took us into an unnecessary war that he put on a credit card and now we are saddled with trillions in debt. For what? He took his eyes of the prize. It took Obama to get the job done that GWB should have done in the first place. The problem was, GWB was a puppethead that was too dumb to not be misled by Cheney and Rumsfield and their neocon agenda.
 
Although like I said I mourn the death of every American the Iraq War was the cleanest war we ever have fought with the fewest casualties.

That doesn't make any of their deaths worth the cost of this egregious war. Navy...we all mourn their deaths...what I would like to see is our government not going to war on a whim.

We should never be so ready for war. You are vet...you should know...war is hell. It is hell on the soldier...hell on their families...and hell on our treasury.

We cannot be saviors of the World...that is not the point of our country. We should lead by example...not force.
 

Sadly you are what I am talking about...The epitome of a Monday Morning QB.....Anyone can do what you do...

Yes, the majority of people were able to reason it out, just like I did, that the reason for the Iraq war was oil, and that we were lied to about a threat, but apparently not just anybody could do that like you said. There are still a few out there that believe that Iraq was a threat to the US.
 
There is no evidence whatsoever that either war was over control of Iraq's oil.:naughty:naughty:naughty:naughty:naughty

Good evening, Jack.

At the time, the thought was that we had special"dibs" on Iraq's oil, to help pay for our involvement. How did that get started, or was that wishful thinking on some people's part?
 
Yes, the majority of people were able to reason it out, just like I did, that the reason for the Iraq war was oil . . .

More of a fantasist than a reasoner, actually. I await your evidence that either war was to control Iraqi oil.:waiting::waiting::waiting::waiting::waiting:
 
More of a fantasist than a reasoner, actually. I await your evidence that either war was to control Iraqi oil.:waiting::waiting::waiting::waiting::waiting:

I actually believe it wasn't the oil itself but on how they traded it (at least the second war in Iraq). Hussein was going to start trading his oil on Euros instead of Dollars. What happened? American propaganda machine revved up and we're attacking them. As soon as we overthrew Hussein's regime....they were back selling their oil on the dollar.
 
There is no evidence whatsoever that either war was over control of Iraq's oil.:naughty:naughty:naughty:naughty:naughty

Untrue. Military action was recommended in 2002 in Cheney's Task Force report. The orders given to the troops were to first secure the oil facilities, before the nuclear facilities. Our most important occupation benchmarks was to get the Iraqi oil law changed, and a government in place and strong enough to enforce it. Big oil is back in Iraq now for the first time since 1973, and that only happened due to our invasion and occupation. Mission Accomplished!

Now what threat did Iraq present to the US or its neighbors that necessitated our attack and occupation in 2003?
 
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Yes, the majority of people were able to reason it out, just like I did, that the reason for the Iraq war was oil, and that we were lied to about a threat, but apparently not just anybody could do that like you said. There are still a few out there that believe that Iraq was a threat to the US.

Why do you ignore the facts..When we invaded Iraq it was by a 60% favorability.
 
Yes, the majority of people were able to reason it out, just like I did, that the reason for the Iraq war was oil, and that we were lied to about a threat, but apparently not just anybody could do that like you said. There are still a few out there that believe that Iraq was a threat to the US.

If what you say is true and we wanted Iraq's oil then why the **** are we paying 4.00 a gallon for gas? Oh and by the way the Iraquis pay .25 a gallon.
 
I actually believe it wasn't the oil itself but on how they traded it (at least the second war in Iraq). Hussein was going to start trading his oil on Euros instead of Dollars. What happened? American propaganda machine revved up and we're attacking them. As soon as we overthrew Hussein's regime....they were back selling their oil on the dollar.

The currency chosen by Saddam to trade oil could never be a concern. The costs of complicating his transactions would have been his.:cool:
 
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