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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

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Catawba said:
Thanks! Its pretty hard to see how any can deny that increasing terrorism was a negative effect of the Iraq war.
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It all depends on how one views terrorism.

With the end of the Soviet Union, a new international bogyman had to be found in order to support the continued growth of the military industrial complex. If we didn't have terrorists, we'd just have to find something else.

Viewed in that light, terrorists do serve a useful purpose.
 
AllanHampton said:
Have you read Martin Luther's book "Jews and their lies"? Who was Christ speaking to in John; 8, 44? There are plenty of reports that there was no genocide of Jews in Germany, no gassing, no lamp shades, etc. Somebody is lying for sure.

I hear/read between 1933 - 1939 Jews were free to leave Germany, with the aid of the German government, and take their money and possessions with them. And many Jews that remained in Germany served in government and the army.
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You seem to read stuff that distorts. Any there will always be deniers of every event. But the fact remains, it did happen, and there is no excuse for it. I am sadden to see denier hate thought pop up anywhere, as it still shocks me when I see it. Jews are no different than any people. Like all groups, all humans, we share common sins. But that in no way excuses genocide or Germany.
 
ChrisL said:
Okay, if you want to continue on with this childish name-calling, I'll play along even though it's STUPID beyond belief and accomplishes ABSOLUTELY nothing.

You're LYING now because I NEVER claimed he would not allow them access. I said he was never COMPLETELY cooperative with inspectors.
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Ummm, you said, "Saddam wasn't letting UN inspectors in."

That was your lie.

Hans Blix said the UN inspectors had access to where ever they went:

"In my 27 January [2003] update to the Council, I said that it seemed from our experience that Iraq had decided in principle to provide cooperation on process, most importantly prompt access to all sites and assistance to UNMOVIC in the establishment of the necessary infrastructure. This impression remains, and we note that access to sites has so far been without problems, including those that had never been declared or inspected, as well as to Presidential sites and private residences." ~ Hans Blix
 
AllanHampton said:
Could be false, I read, and listen to both sides on major issues. One thing I know the U.S. was on the side of Bolshevik Communist Russia in WWII. And I confident the U.S. and Russia committed more, and worse, war crimes than did Germany.

I'll check for that declaration of war on Germany. I know I read it somewhere but don't know the truth of it.
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Here you go.

Germany declares war on the United States — History.com This Day ...
www.history.com/this.../germany-declares-war-on-the-united-states
He was convinced that the United States would soon beat him to the punch and declare war on Germany. The U.S. Navy was already attacking German U-boats, ...
German Declaration of War with the United States: December 11, 1941
fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DECWAR.htm
German Declaration of War with the United States: December 11, 1941 ... American press correspondents in Germany as that accorded the American official staff ...
Hitler's Declaration of War Against the US
Hitler's Declaration of War Against the US
by M Weber - Related articles
Germany's Declaration of War Against the United States Hitler's Reichstag Speech of December 11, 1941. It has often been said that Hitler's greatest mistakes ...

As for war crimes, the Germans have the distinction of having started the war, the greatest crime of all.:2usflag::2usflag::2usflag::2usflag::2usflag:
 
Jack Hays said:
Here you go.

Germany declares war on the United States — History.com This Day ...
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He was convinced that the United States would soon beat him to the punch and declare war on Germany. The U.S. Navy was already attacking German U-boats, ...
German Declaration of War with the United States: December 11, 1941
fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DECWAR.htm
German Declaration of War with the United States: December 11, 1941 ... American press correspondents in Germany as that accorded the American official staff ...
Hitler's Declaration of War Against the US
Hitler's Declaration of War Against the US
by M Weber - Related articles
Germany's Declaration of War Against the United States Hitler's Reichstag Speech of December 11, 1941. It has often been said that Hitler's greatest mistakes ...

As for war crimes, the Germans have the distinction of having started the war, the greatest crime of all.:2usflag::2usflag::2usflag::2usflag::2usflag:
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Yes, I checked and found the same about declaring war as you posted here. I understand U.S. was shipping aid to England in those ships. Also, I have different info about who and how the war started. Hitlers main enemy he was concerned about was Communist Russia.

I've read a lot about Hitler and WWII - WWI and don't "know" the truth of any of it but I am confident there are more than enough lies to go around. Read everything I could find on George Lincoln Rockwell including his writings. Then there is Charles Lindbergh, Professor Revilo P.Oliver, Henry Ford ad a host of others. Plus I am a student of the Constitution for over 25 years and that I believe without any doubt.

Have you read Mein Kampf? Two version so I hear, I got my version from; Overskrift settes inn her - I've read everything there too (I think), have you?
 
I would say it is about the same. Tensions have risen in other parts of the world, it has destroyed countless American and Iraqi lives, and anyone actually involved in the war, I would say the majority of them don't much care for it. By definition the Bush administration and Bush are war criminals, likely another reason why Bush is the most expensive ex-president to the US taxpayers. Do I think it is better? Yeah, but not in a way that say the world is better without Hitler, if that makes sense.
 
JohnWOlin said:
I would say it is about the same. Tensions have risen in other parts of the world, it has destroyed countless American and Iraqi lives, and anyone actually involved in the war, I would say the majority of them don't much care for it. By definition the Bush administration and Bush are war criminals, likely another reason why Bush is the most expensive ex-president to the US taxpayers. Do I think it is better? Yeah, but not in a way that say the world is better without Hitler, if that makes sense.
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Why would GWB be "the most expensive" ex-POTUS?
 
Jack Hays said:
Actually, an informed professional judgment. I have no idea why Rice would have said what she said. Wilson is easier; he didn't know what he didn't know. :cool:
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What was the reason he was sent to Niger, to see if somebody was attempting to purchase uranium?
 
AllanHampton said:
My information says the U.S. declared war on Germany first, after FDR goaded Japan into bombing Pearl Harbor.
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FDR didn't goad the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor - they came up with that on their own. And Germany declared war on the United States.

Read a frickin' history book, will you?
 
Wiggen said:
FDR didn't goad the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor - they came up with that on their own. And Germany declared war on the United States.

Read a frickin' history book, will you?
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Depends on which side of frickin history you read;

FDR provoked the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
It has long been suspected that there was advanced knowledge of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that was not properly given to commanders at Pearl Harbor, information that could have prevented the attack or let the American forces be more prepared.
This is a complex situation. There are two primary issues at hand:
1)Was the attack on Pearl Harbor provoked?
2)Did the FDR administration have prior knowledge of an impending attack and fail to warn those stationed at Pearl Harbor?
Whether or not FDR knew about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor actually misses the larger and more important issue, which is the fact that the Japanese were provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. The majority of Americans, and even service men, were unaware of what was going on behind the scenes, but not all were. FDR had been charged in public with agitating for war since 1939. FDR had to push the Japanese into attacking the United States because the overwhelming majority of Americans opposed getting involved in the war and Japan itself had no intentions of attacking the United States, their interest was Asia. Without FDR's antagonisms towards the Japanese, Congress and the American people never would have allowed FDR to declare war on Japan or Germany; FDR knew this, and he also knew how important it really was that America join in the war against fascism and imperialism.
The most direct evidence of antagonisms toward Japan is the McCollum Memo written October 7th 1940 (declassified in 1994) that was given to FDR as well as the actions that were later taken by the administration.

Of critical importance in this memo is the portion that reads:

9. It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following course of action is suggested:

A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore.

B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies.

C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek.

D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore.

E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.

F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.

G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil.

H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire.

10. If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.

- H. McCollum

FDR provoked the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ummm, you said, "Saddam wasn't letting UN inspectors in."

That was your lie.

Hans Blix said the UN inspectors had access to where ever they went:

"In my 27 January [2003] update to the Council, I said that it seemed from our experience that Iraq had decided in principle to provide cooperation on process, most importantly prompt access to all sites and assistance to UNMOVIC in the establishment of the necessary infrastructure. This impression remains, and we note that access to sites has so far been without problems, including those that had never been declared or inspected, as well as to Presidential sites and private residences." ~ Hans Blix
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Um, no I didn't. I said that he was never fully cooperative.
 
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