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Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

Is the world a better place without Saddam Hussein?

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marywollstonecraft said:
sounds like a mantra you want to believe
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Think about the impact of dictatorship on the environement and consider the reasoning I provided above. This is not rocket science.
 
JC Callender said:
Many influential people world wide believed he was a serious threat, including Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. That's what we knew at the time, and that's what we went off of. Did you know at the time that we or one of our allies wouldn't get attacked with WMD's?....of course you didn't. And how do you know that he didn't bury them in the sand? Is it more important for you to hail some kind of moral victory with the advantage of hindsight rather that to say with humility that we tried our best?

I've always wondered if much of the PTSD from this war comes from our service people injuring and or killing Iraqi's for the sake of freedom and justice, only to have the case made ad nauseam that it was totally unjustified.
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Except, of course, all those people were relying on intelligence reports cooked by the Bush Administration to make a case for war.
 
Dittohead not! said:
He's still here, isn't he?

Or has Texas seceded from the rest of the world? I'm sure there are Texans who would like to.
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A lot of us non-Texans would like it, too.
 
Jack Hays said:
False and false.
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The fact that there was no Iraqi threat to the US or its neighbors, and our invasion and occupation allowed US and British oil companies back in Iraq for the first time since 1973, prove your opinions wrong.
 
ChrisL said:
I think most people have learned. The point is that you aren't helping the Iraqi people by complaining about it. It's done. It's over, and the Iraqi people have to get their country together. Dwelling on this stuff doesn't help anyone.
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The same BS is happening with Iran now. It is very relevant to current policy discussions.
 
Navy Pride said:
On the anniversary of the Iraq war the question begs to be asked.
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Nothing like asking half the pertinent question. Of course the world is better without Hussein. The real question is whether the United States is better off without Hussein? With the guts of that question really, was it worth the cost.
 
upsideguy said:
Nothing like asking half the pertinent question. Of course the world is better without Hussein. The real question is whether the United States is better off without Hussein? With the guts of that question really, was it worth the cost.
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I personally think members have answered the second half of that question.
 
Navy Pride said:
When the Iraq war started the favorability for was over 60%...Americans seem to grow weary of a war that is long and drawn out.
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Gee, ya think? This war was supposed to have been over in six months or less.

The revelation that there were no WMD may have been another factor, as was finding that there was no plan to fund the war, nor was there an exit strategy.
 
Navy Pride said:
When the Iraq war started the favorability for was over 60%...Americans seem to grow weary of a war that is long and drawn out.
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Actually, people oppose wars when they discover they were lied to about the reason for the wars.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Gee, ya think? This war was supposed to have been over in six months or less.

The revelation that there were no WMD may have been another factor, as was finding that there was no plan to fund the war, nor was there an exit strategy.
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I don't know how old you are but the same thing was said about the Korean Conflict, the Vietnam Conflict and now these conflicts. Any time we are at war we always have a problem with funding it.......
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't know how old you are but the same thing was said about the Korean Conflict, the Vietnam Conflict and now these conflicts. Any time we are at war we always have a problem with funding it.......
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That's the way it is with unjust wars, they only can be supported with lies. Once the truth is known, support falls by the wayside.
 
Iraq war costs instead used to run hospitals

$1,900B cost of Iraq

Would run 190 Full Hospitals ($125mil yr) for 80 years, never sending out a bill to any US citizen or business.
 
Catawba said:
The fact that there was no Iraqi threat to the US or its neighbors, and our invasion and occupation allowed US and British oil companies back in Iraq for the first time since 1973, prove your opinions wrong.
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No. It merely proves that Iraq has an open economy now. :2wave:
 
I am sick of this wounded warrior bull**** where are injured vets have to beg for money to take care of their injuries...They should not have to beg for the money. They should get all he money they need to cover any injuries they have from the war.
 
Catawba said:
The fact that there was no Iraqi threat to the US or its neighbors, and our invasion and occupation allowed US and British oil companies back in Iraq for the first time since 1973, prove your opinions wrong.
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Even Al-Jazeera isn't buying what you're selling.

Western oil firms remain as US exits Iraq - Features - Al Jazeera ...
[URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/inde...indepth/features/.../2011122813134071641.html[/url]
Jan 7, 2012 – The end of the US military occupation does not mean Iraqis have full control of their oil. ... Dr Zalloum added that he believes western oil companies have .... has been summarily rejected by most countries, including all of Iraq's ...

:roll:
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't know how old you are but the same thing was said about the Korean Conflict, the Vietnam Conflict and now these conflicts. Any time we are at war we always have a problem with funding it.......
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I'm not old enough to remember the Korean conflict, but I vividly remember the one in Vietnam. I remember that it dragged on for a total of 21 years, counting the time we had "military advisers" there, that Nixon finally declared victory and left, that the North Vietnamese quickly overran the military dictatorship we set up after we did leave, and that it cost a ton of money and wasted lives, and that the so called "domino theory" never happened.

Oh, and that the "my country right or wrong" folks who supported the war regardless, along with the ones who still believed that we were fighting for freedom got to be fewer and fewer as the wa.. I mean conflict drug on and on.

And that the war was not called that, as it was never declared, which made it unconstitutional.

and that the impetus for expanding the conflict to a full scale unconstitutional war came about because of the Gulf of Tonkien affair, which never really happened.

and that the purveyors of war machines made a pile of money from the war.

Yes, I remember that one well.
 
Jack Hays said:
No. It merely proves that Iraq has an open economy now. :2wave:
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You may deny that US and British oil companies are back in Iraq for the first time since they were kicked out in 1973 if you wish, but the facts show different.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Even Al-Jazeera isn't buying what you're selling.

Western oil firms remain as US exits Iraq - Features - Al Jazeera ...
[URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/inde...indepth/features/.../2011122813134071641.html[/url]
Jan 7, 2012 – The end of the US military occupation does not mean Iraqis have full control of their oil. ... Dr Zalloum added that he believes western oil companies have .... has been summarily rejected by most countries, including all of Iraq's ...

:roll:
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You better reread what you just linked because it doesn't make your case that the war wasn't about oil.
 
Navy Pride said:

I personally think members have answered the second half of that question.
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Its kind of a silly stand alone question as its pure fantasy.

Of course you like result, but you don't get the result without the (considerable) cost. Trying to separate the result from the cost is a ridiculous endeavor.

Would you like to go to Hawaii? Well, yes, if it doesn't cost me time and money (without trade-offs). Telling me I have to use vacation time and actually pay for the trip myself radically changes the question.
 
ChrisL said:
Keeping track? They just found another mass grave in 2012! You can't keep track of what you don't know.

PressTV - Saddam-era mass grave unearthed in south Baghdad
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You make the same mistake many do. It's not when you fine it that matters in this debate, but when they were killed:

The victims could also be Kurds, against whom Saddam waged military campaigns in the 1980s and 90s, and Shia Muslims who staged an uprising in 1991.
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This was when we were watching and doing nothing, and anytime near 2003. It was a very specific place and time
 
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