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Prison visitation

which is it?

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LiberalAvenger said:
A court in virginia is deciding wheter it is a constitutional right to have visitors.

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You lose many of your constitutional rights when you go to prison. I'd be all for visitation being a privilege that's earned through good behavior -- and suspended when prisoners become problems. Trying to keep prisoners sane, safe and relatively happy should be a goal of our prison system. (Maybe "happy" isn't the right word, but making them nuts doesn't make much sense either.)
 
It's definitely a privileged, but one that should be given often depending on the circumstances.
 
Prisoner privileges vary according to state, but most allow a decent amount to abiding inmates. There are some legal rights they have as well, but in some cases, judges can refuse them. Some of the rights that cannot be revoked are visitation, food, medical care and being allowed to practice their religion.

Read more: What Privileges Do Inmates in Prison Have? | eHow.com What Privileges Do Inmates in Prison Have? | eHow.com

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I am thinking that it is a right because it would be cruel and inhuman punishment" to keep them from their loved ones.:)

And/or the people plotting a jailbreak.:roll:
 
It is certainly a privilege. But I wouldn't advocate it so much for the sake of the prisoners as their loved ones. I've recently listended to a interview with Marc Lépine's mother who, despite Marc killing 14 people, still loved and missed him. This just shows that although they are a rapist/murderer/thief/fraudster/etc. they are still someone's son/daughter/brother/sister/mother/father. Love and caring really does transcend things like horrific crimes.
 
You have a right to legal council, not to seeing your friends and relatives, that is a privilege. What makes anyone think that Constitutional rights are not subject to severe limitation upon criminal conviction? If the state has a right to lock you up it may certainly set necessary security precautions to ensure the safety of themselves and other inmates. Even hospitals and public schools have strict visitation policies.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I am thinking that it is a right because it would be cruel and inhuman punishment" to keep them from their loved ones.:)

And/or the people plotting a jailbreak.:roll:
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It's a Right. Also to let the inmates family know that the state hasn't done anything to their family member and that they are not being treated inhumanely.
 
Juiposa said:
It is certainly a privilege. But I wouldn't advocate it so much for the sake of the prisoners as their loved ones. I've recently listended to a interview with Marc Lépine's mother who, despite Marc killing 14 people, still loved and missed him. This just shows that although they are a rapist/murderer/thief/fraudster/etc. they are still someone's son/daughter/brother/sister/mother/father. Love and caring really does transcend things like horrific crimes.
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Most of their moms will tell you, "He really such a good boy".

BTW, di anyone watch the "Bates Motel last night?
 
Some Prisons even have Conjugal visits......now those should be considered a Privilege.
 
MaggieD said:
You lose many of your constitutional rights when you go to prison. I'd be all for visitation being a privilege that's earned through good behavior -- and suspended when prisoners become problems. Trying to keep prisoners sane, safe and relatively happy should be a goal of our prison system. (Maybe "happy" isn't the right word, but making them nuts doesn't make much sense either.)
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I would agree with this and possibly add that visitation should be restricted or limited upon entry, to enforce the gravity of the circumstances, and be increased as time moves closer to release, if it assists in re-entry into society.
 
By definition, prison is punishment. To be confined is to be kept from your loved ones. That is part of the punishment.

The important thing is that the legal elements of most crimes require "Intent." Meaning that the prisoner intended to commit the crime, most of which hurt someone else.

It's become an offensive fad recently to pretend that no one in prison is guilty of anything, pretend that they are all victims of the justice system and that we should feel sorry for their plight.
 
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MMC said:
Some Prisons even have Conjugal visits......now those should be considered a Privilege.
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Some have conjugal visits that are surprises to the prisoner involved - not sure they would be classified as a privilege either.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Most of their moms will tell you, "He really such a good boy".

BTW, di anyone watch the "Bates Motel last night?
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Did you read or absorb any of my post? Doesn't seem like you did.

Shuning a loved one is shown to be very hard, no matter how terrible the crime.
 
Visitation is Right.....which it was decided by the SCOTUS in the Case Block vs Rutherford 468 US 567, 82 L Ed 2nd 438, 104 S Ct. 3227, decided July 3rd 1984.


Although Florida made the Right into a Privilege back in the 80s when all this came into play with the Courts All across the country. Even tho the State Florida did so the visitations are still up to prison officials. Or were.

Anyone interested can look up the State Doc site Vugate.
 
in my opinion it should be a privilege but i do agree some type of neutral access should always be available, for an example of course a lawyer can always visit, but friends and family are meaningless to me if you cant earn it.
 
IMO, visitation should be a privilege... albeit one to be lost if you screw up.

I'm not including conjugal visits.
 
Would any base such visitation on the level of security of the Prison? There are Minimum Security Prisons and Farms, Mediums, and Max Joints.

Some Minimums the inmates are not even locked up.
 
I never thought I'd live to see the day I'd agree with you on something.
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Maybe tonight I'll finally win that damn lotto.
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Ray410 said:
By definition, prison is punishment. To be confined is to be kept from your loved ones. That is part of the punishment.

The important thing is that the legal elements of most crimes require "Intent." Meaning that the prisoner intended to commit the crime, most of which hurt someone else.

It's become an offensive fad recently to pretend that no one in prison is guilty of anything, pretend that they are all victims of the justice system and that we should feel sorry for their plight.
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MMC said:
Would any base such visitation on the level of security of the Prison? There are Minimum Security Prisons and Farms, Mediums, and Max Joints.

Some Minimums the inmates are not even locked up.
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yes the crime and amount of punishment should always relate IMO
 
Objective-J said:
yes the crime and amount of punishment should always relate IMO
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Yeah.....but eventually one from a max can make it to a minimum. Even if they will never be released into society.
 
MMC said:
Yeah.....but eventually one from a max can make it to a minimum. Even if they will never be released into society.
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yep IF they earn that privilege and depending on their crime and or ability to be a threat/escape :shrug:
 
Objective-J said:
yep IF they earn that privilege and depending on their crime and or ability to be a threat/escape :shrug:
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Well actually some are moved to a minimum due to the gangs having a hit out on them. Doesn't matter what they did Child Rapists, Murderers. Nor is it based on if they earned the privilege. Although I should say that's with State Prisons and not Federal.
 
I would say in most cases it's a privelege, but in some cases it's a right. For example, if you're going through appeals in court, I would say it's a right to be able to meet with your attorney.
 
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